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Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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> It is sad that you're so selfish Is that how you've been taught to discuss? With ad-hominens, absolute self-certainty on your prioritizations, and pop psychology attacks?

A discussion is impossible when one side assumes the other is arguing in bad faith. You started from the assumption I need sight to navigate and when I pointed out I don't you doubled down on sanctimoniousness. Again: why should the needs of the few trump the needs of the many?

>You started from the assumption I need sight to navigate

Yes, and it was a legitimate assumption, given that your comment implied as much (speaking of those people as a minority in the third person, saying "who cares" about those, etc).

There certainly wasn't any "I am a person with accessibility issues myself, and I consider open formats for the majority more important than accessible content" implication.

>Again: why should the needs of the few trump the needs of the many?

First, disabled / elderly etc. people being able to have access to content, knowledge, entertainment, isn't just some random small thing we can just toss aside. Nor does it concern some insignificant minority we could ignore with minimal loss.

Second, putting out unaccessible PDF content is 100% certain to be problematic for people with accessibility needs.

Whereas having HTML instead of PDFs (the latter being what the grandfather suggested and you supported) is far from certain to make people "serfs" (which is a loaded metaphor from feudal times) or to be of much significance.

If anything HTML is open source and free, and implementing a browser to read basic HTML (as opposed to full WPAs) is trivial - more trivial than PDF for that matter, and with more FOSS browser engines in existance, from full-on to minimal like Links. So even at the basic factual level the concern is misplaced.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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> If what you are communicating needs to be guaranteed to never be crackable, you only need to use the oldest and most secure way of communicating before the days of internet and computers: short wave transmitted one time pad codes. I'd say using a dead drop is probably even older and more secure. I don't think it'd attract any extra attention unless you're already being followed. A numbers station is really only use…

> dead drop yes but it really needs to be remote because they caught ppl doing it like that American spy in the 80s. I know in South Korea, dead drop is a popular method of peddling drugs but ppl still get busted. I agree number stations are overkill but perhaps some similar methods...like cartels using email drafts to communicate

But the point is using dead drops doesn't attract attention unless you already have it.

> I agree number stations are overkill but perhaps some similar methods...like cartels using email drafts to communicate

That's basically a digital dead drop, and they've caught people doing that: for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal#Summary_and_c...

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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A discussion is impossible when one side assumes the other is arguing in bad faith. You started from the assumption I need sight to navigate and when I pointed out I don't you doubled down on sanctimoniousness. Again: why should the needs of the few trump the needs of the many?

> You started from the assumption I need sight to navigate Yes, and it was a legitimate assumption, given that your comment implied as much (speaking of those people as a minority in the third person, saying "who cares" about those, etc). There certainly wasn't any "I am a person with accessibility issues myself, and I consider open formats for the majority more important than accessible content" implication. > Again…

>Second, putting out unaccessible PDF content is 100% certain to be problematic for people with accessibility needs.

That's where you're wrong. A plain PDF/A is the simplest thing to scrape for text.

You know what is a nightmare to deal with? Html with javascript: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Try a screen reader on the above nightmare and tell me what you hear. For me it's: iframe-iframe-iframe-iframe-iframe-iframe-iframe-iframe-iframe... turning it into a png and trying to scrape text doesn't help because there is literally zero predictable structure to the text, is it one, two, three or 8 columns wide? Depends on where in the page you look.

So again, thanks for the outrage, but we don't need people like you who don't understand the first thing about what we go through defending us and shitting on people trying to make the world better.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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> If 2020 taught me anything, it's that society can come close to the brink pretty quickly. I thought there was an inevitable trend toward freedom, but recently think it's perilous. We need ideas to flow to create a more distributed, less unequal, world, and we need it now. We need to unshackle the people. This seems like an odd claim, as society as a whole was able to weather the pandemic overall in incredible comfo…

> weather the pandemic overall in incredible comfort due to technology and content created under our IP regime strike "under" insert "in spite of" > demonstrate that we'd have these things without the IP environment of past 100 years. IP are laws that prohibit who is allowed to manufacture and profit by certain types of goods. The burden of proof rests on those who think that those goods would not exist if more peopl…

I do not think your beef is with IP. I think you are anti private property.

If private property exists, with any sort of free exchange, then IP that takes resources to produce and nothing to copy will need protection under some sort of property law.

A high tech society is imaginable in the absence of private property, but generally the abolition of private property is not considered as a serious option.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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"As with Apple, the best way for Google to avoid being ordered to turn over data on its users is to not collect or retain that data in the first place. And, as with Apple, the next best thing is to give users the power to turn off that data-collection and data-retention altogether, something Google's gotten marginally better at in the past year." Google is very aggressive in its data collection. Its scope keeps incre…

You can go to https://myactivity.google.com/ and turn off everything there. I think most users can do atleast that if you have a Google account. Using adblockers, fingerprint avoiding browsers, and diligently opting out of all forms of tracking where possible is also doable. This only minimizes data collection.

It's sending companies like acxiom and sift science requests to delete your data based on identifiers that most people will likely not do.

I would like to see banning of data collection IDs, including IDFAs. No ad re-targeting IDs, no Verizon injecting IDs into network traffic, no Facebook SDK IDs, no IDFAs enabling data collection. I think that would do wonders for big tech minimizing their data collection.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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> weather the pandemic overall in incredible comfort due to technology and content created under our IP regime strike "under" insert "in spite of" > demonstrate that we'd have these things without the IP environment of past 100 years. IP are laws that prohibit who is allowed to manufacture and profit by certain types of goods. The burden of proof rests on those who think that those goods would not exist if more peopl…

And how would it change the world to be more equal?

Equality is not what we need or want.

Fairness, comradery, and equity are enough.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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> weather the pandemic overall in incredible comfort due to technology and content created under our IP regime strike "under" insert "in spite of" > demonstrate that we'd have these things without the IP environment of past 100 years. IP are laws that prohibit who is allowed to manufacture and profit by certain types of goods. The burden of proof rests on those who think that those goods would not exist if more peopl…

I do not think your beef is with IP. I think you are anti private property. If private property exists, with any sort of free exchange, then IP that takes resources to produce and nothing to copy will need protection under some sort of property law. A high tech society is imaginable in the absence of private property, but generally the abolition of private property is not considered as a serious option.

> If private property exists, with any sort of free exchange, then IP that takes resources to produce and nothing to copy will need protection under some sort of property law.

No, it doesn't need to be protected. The ability to copy is a feature, not a bug. Laws that limit the copying of data decrease the proliferation of that data in most cases.

> A high tech society is imaginable in the absence of private property, but generally the abolition of private property is not considered as a serious option.

I see people mentioning it but I agree its considered to be somewhat fringe by most. A society without private property would likely devolve to subsistence level or recreate propertarian norms.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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>with provisions and updates there is no reason not to give the people who invent things short and clear monopolies on their ideas. The lack of a monopoly creates competition which accelerates innovation and leads to cheaper, higher quality products for the consumer. The person who invents a product should simply be one competitor in the market, they can have the first mover advantage, but shouldn't be allowed to con…

> The lack of a monopoly creates competition which accelerates innovation and leads to cheaper, higher quality products for the consumer. The person who invents a product should simply be one competitor in the market, they can have the first mover advantage, but shouldn't be allowed to control the market entirely. But that obviously wouldn't as work well, because: 1. The inventor would pay the R&D costs with no good…

These arguments get trotted out every time this comes up, and they are bad.

>1. The inventor would pay the R&D costs with no good way to recoup them, because he'd be competing against knockoffs who didn't have to make that investment, and can price accordingly. You'd be putting the actual inventor at a disadvantage.

It's now clear that there are plenty of ways to fund R&D without relying on IP law to recoup the costs. Another reply goes into this better, so I want to also point out another benefit: the incentive to perform R&D, without IP law, is less likely to be "in order to make a profit," and more likely to be "because whoever is funding it wants it to be done," whether for itself or because they want the end product to exist.

Remember that an open market capitalist economy is _a method for allocating resources within a society towards ends that people actually want_. Doing R&D for profit is an indirect way of incentivising companies to produce things that people want. Without monopoly licensing, the incentive to the company is directly to research & develop something that people want - the funders, at a minimum.

Some lessons from e.g. machine learning research show that any slight misalignment in objective when you have a powerful optimising system, like a corporation, will be ruthlessly exploited, until what you end up with is nothing like what you wanted. In particular, instead of solely making things that people want, companies spend massive amounts of effort on making people want the things they make.

>2. There'd be no incentive for inventors to actually publish designs for their inventions. Most people who argue against patents as a concept forget is that to get one you have to publish plans for your idea openly, which makes it much easier to copy. The limited monopoly is an incentive to part with that information. You'd end up leaving the public domain poorer.

This argument is nearly completely redundant these days. Nowadays, to reproduce something it's almost always enough just to know it's possible, let alone knowing precisely how or even having a working example. If that wasn't the case, why are copyrights necessary on manufactured physical products like drugs? The producers wouldn't be concerned about their products being copied if it wasn't possible to do so without explicit instructions.

Another poster brought up that patents are now written to be as obscure as possible anyway - also true, nearly removing all public benefit that might have been obtained from such a system in the first place.

>3. Invention and production are different skillsets. For an author to get paid for writing, they shouldn't need to own a printing press and distribution network. It's a good thing that good, successful authors can make their livings by writing and not always be forced to sustain themselves with a day job.

This just makes you seem out of touch with the modern reality of the writing industry. You may have heard that most musicians, apart from a few mega popular ones, make their money from live performance & merchandise. Writing is going a similar way. Self publishing is a bigger and bigger thing, lots of authors have communities or are supported directly by fans & merchandise. There are multiple companies that can print any arbitrary work into a physical book for you without requiring ownership of the IP.

Of course under the current system there will always be a few big winners, but for the aspiring new writer it's pretty unlikely you'll get very far unless you're exceptionally talented or you know people high up in the industry.

Essentially, because the average creator doesn't have a realistic shot at making money from licensing anyway, they are already adopting models that work in the absence of licensing revenue. If I were to boil it down, they're mostly selling one of three things: community, experiences, and anticipation of future creations that wouldn't otherwise exist (in other words, investment, except the investors don't own the creator's work or otherwise receive any formal stake.)

The original ideas behind IP were conceived in a different time, and many of the assumptions simply don't apply any more. It's possible that there are still good reasons why some form of IP needs to exist, but these tired justifications aren't it.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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The GPG sigs that are also published over MITMable unencrypted http? http://archive.canonical.com/dists/xenial/Release.gpg Yeah, I believe I see a problem there...

But the public signing key, that's already installed via presumably verified initial media is already there, so unless their private key is compromised, which would be a bigger deal ....

> installed via presumably verified initial media

This is not a universally correct assumption.

How does this chain of trust bootstrap for a first time (or stand alone) user who downloads Ubuntu from a non-Ubuntu system? If I've got MITM, I can change both the ISO (with the totally-not-verified public key) as well as the gpg sig to match using a private key I know (and gave you the public key to).

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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"There is no way for us to defend ourselves: even skilled technologists who administer their own networked services are no match for the bandits. To keep bandits out, you have to be perfect and perfectly vigilant, and never make a single mistake. For the bandits to get you, they need merely find a single mistake that you’ve made." Ooof. What a boot-to-the-face reminder. Despite my use of a Tor Router, three ubikeys a…

Qubes might be a better choice than Ubuntu, for additional compartmentalisation.
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