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Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Post by andreilys »

chordalkeyboard wrote: post #106
wait_a_minute wrote: post #53

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I am genuinely interested in understanding how we could have innovation in a world where a creator is not entitled to benefits from their invention. Including any monetary benefits if they so choose.

> a world where a creator is not entitled to benefits from their invention This is a mis-statement of the anti-IP case. Given the abolishment of IP laws, creators are not prevented from benefitting from their invention. They merely no longer have the benefit of the state regulators in preventing others from following the inventor's example. > Including any monetary benefits if they so choose. The "monetary benefit" h…

So Disney can steal the work of amateur animators and not pay them a dime. Great.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Post by f430 »

ramphastidae wrote: post #82
f430 wrote: post #3

What really puzzles me about Apple fans and it's userbase is that they do not care . They simply do not care at all what's being done to them. It's the strongest example of consumer cultism. Absolute in their exceptionalism and ignorance. Similar problems discussed in the article are found in Tesla. The lowest common denominator of consumer cultism is surveillance and it's no surprise that both Apple and Tesla do exc…

And yet you can identify no real alternative. Last I checked Apple is the only company with a consumer-grade operating system that (1) has refused to turn over user data even after legal challenges from the federal government and (2) doesn’t generate revenues from advertising and selling user data.

> And yet you can identify no real alternative.

Qubes/Whonix/Tails or any hardened linux distros is a practical and widely accepted alternative in the security field.

To my knowledge I don't think I recall anybody using a comprehensive "pen test" framework on a Mac.

> has refused to turn over user data even after legal challenges from the federal government

While this is true, it never stopped the agencies from getting their data through other means.

There is a company in Israel that specializes in unlocking iPhone data. It recently lead to the arrest of a child sex cult ring in South Korea.

> doesn’t generate revenues from advertising and selling user data.

neither does Microsoft if you consider the metrics are used internally and using it to optimize their product to maximize revenues.

I will agree that it is less pervasive than Google or Facebook.

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Post by chb »

f430 wrote: post #63
ardy42 wrote: post #41

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> If what you are communicating needs to be guaranteed to never be crackable, you only need to use the oldest and most secure way of communicating before the days of internet and computers: short wave transmitted one time pad codes. I'd say using a dead drop is probably even older and more secure. I don't think it'd attract any extra attention unless you're already being followed. A numbers station is really only use…

> dead drop yes but it really needs to be remote because they caught ppl doing it like that American spy in the 80s. I know in South Korea, dead drop is a popular method of peddling drugs but ppl still get busted. I agree number stations are overkill but perhaps some similar methods...like cartels using email drafts to communicate

> because they caught ppl doing it like that American spy in the 80s. > Are you referring to Robert Hanssen? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Post by mhh__ »

f430 wrote: post #115
mhh__ wrote: post #109

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> It was only when they captured a few Cuban spies were they able to break the number stations operating out of Havana but this is perhaps the only case in history Bad OPSEC (Reuse of pads) allowed the West to extremely painfully decrypt chunks of soviet communications - finding just how bad communist infiltration was in the process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project

now THIS is why I love text based communities like HN and Redit. You just get rewarded these small nuggests of rabbit holes.

Read "Spycatcher" by Peter Wright. It's one of not many books on spying like this (Wright was cleaning up the mess Venona revealed for years) actually written by an intelligence officer, in clear breach of the official secrets act, and even better he was an engineer too so there are lots of tales of him reverse engineering soviet bugs like "The thing" and tracking down spurious radio emissions to find spies.

His theory about Roger Hollis is probably lost to time although MI5's complete failure to address it is probably a hint.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Post by Avicebron »

andreilys wrote: post #120
losteric wrote: post #89

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Recipes do not have patent protection, yet there is plenty of innovation in restaurants. There are many paths to an innovation. I don't think the first person deserves such a monopoly. American IP law, in combination with the generally letigious society, has always seemed like a net source of innovation friction...

Creating a new recipe doesn’t involve billions of dollars in research as is the case in pharma. A company that spends billions of dollars in research assumes they will be able to recoup the cost by having a monopoly on the drug they developed. If however competitors can flood the market with the same drug, they cannot recoup the cost and will subsequently go bankrupt. Without the proper incentives you can’t expect co…

dude, it's about scale. If a food doesnt market well, the company won't survive, same as pharm. don't think adding billions of dollars to anything matters...jesus you're entitled and stupid

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Post by mordae »

ardy42 wrote: post #71
krapp wrote: post #57

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>with provisions and updates there is no reason not to give the people who invent things short and clear monopolies on their ideas. The lack of a monopoly creates competition which accelerates innovation and leads to cheaper, higher quality products for the consumer. The person who invents a product should simply be one competitor in the market, they can have the first mover advantage, but shouldn't be allowed to con…

> The lack of a monopoly creates competition which accelerates innovation and leads to cheaper, higher quality products for the consumer. The person who invents a product should simply be one competitor in the market, they can have the first mover advantage, but shouldn't be allowed to control the market entirely. But that obviously wouldn't as work well, because: 1. The inventor would pay the R&D costs with no good…

> 1. The inventor would pay the R&D costs with no good way to recoup them, because he'd be competing against knockoffs who didn't have to make that investment, and can price accordingly. You'd be putting the actual inventor at a disadvantage.

So what? They would just need to sell the research at profit instead of subsidizing it with future monopoly revenue.

Patents are nowadays written to obscure the research as much as possible anyway.

And remember how putting a 3D printer in a box to keep the material warm has been patented? Suuuure, wouldn't get discovered independently.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Post by azernik »

f430 wrote: post #3

What really puzzles me about Apple fans and it's userbase is that they do not care . They simply do not care at all what's being done to them. It's the strongest example of consumer cultism. Absolute in their exceptionalism and ignorance. Similar problems discussed in the article are found in Tesla. The lowest common denominator of consumer cultism is surveillance and it's no surprise that both Apple and Tesla do exc…

Take this quote from the article, and s/Google/Apple/g: "If you don’t mind being spied on by Google, and if you trust Google to decide who’s a scumbag and who isn’t, this is great."

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

andreilys wrote: post #121
chordalkeyboard wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a world where a creator is not entitled to benefits from their invention This is a mis-statement of the anti-IP case. Given the abolishment of IP laws, creators are not prevented from benefitting from their invention. They merely no longer have the benefit of the state regulators in preventing others from following the inventor's example. > Including any monetary benefits if they so choose. The "monetary benefit" h…

So Disney can steal the work of amateur animators and not pay them a dime. Great.

> So Disney can steal the work of amateur animators and not pay them a dime. Great.

I'm pretty sure they'd have to hire their own animators in order to produce a product to sell. Theft is still a crime, we would be removing Disney's ability to use the police to shut down the work of amateur animators.

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Post by f430 »

zepto wrote: post #95
type0 wrote: post #85

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> warlord uses force and often violence to gain power. not necessary if they gain it after the power vacuum The behaviors these companies engage in are anti competitive. MS even saved Apple at one point so that in antitrust suit they could point out that other operating systems existed. GAFAM are not on the side of the people. For decades I never asked for a Windows license when buying PC, and yet I had no choice, mo…

“I never asked for a Windows license when buying PC, and yet I had no choice.” I have owned countless computers since the mid 80’s, and I have never been forced to purchase a windows license or used windows on a computer I bought for myself. There have always been options.

Consider the kid who wants to play Doom or Quake like all the other kids are doing in his class.

Can't do it on a linux or mac, I guess I'll ask mum to buy me Windows 95

Re: Neofeudalism and the Digital Manor

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

harimau777 wrote: post #116
chordalkeyboard wrote: post #106

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> a world where a creator is not entitled to benefits from their invention This is a mis-statement of the anti-IP case. Given the abolishment of IP laws, creators are not prevented from benefitting from their invention. They merely no longer have the benefit of the state regulators in preventing others from following the inventor's example. > Including any monetary benefits if they so choose. The "monetary benefit" h…

I think that many creators would struggle to benefit if their creations can be trivially copied by others.

They might struggle to sell licenses to their ideas, given that license is merely permission to perform a trivial task they are equally prepared to perform sans license, they could always benefit by selling their creative labor as work on the market.
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