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Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

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Re: Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

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This is the tribal adoption scenario he's referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincaye

The documentary "Beyond the Gates of Splendor" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337868/ is quite good. You can stream it from Netflix. Although I'm not religious, I must admit it demonstrates the value of the Christian ideal of forgiveness. The movie has lots of old footage, including his father's inventive method of delivering supplies from his airplane to the natives via a tethered bucket

Yes, this story is amazing. He came to speak at my university with some of the members of the tribe, one of whom was in LOVE with flying. He couldn't speak English, read, etc. but he was apparently a pretty good pilot. By the way, this same guy was one of those in the group that killed his father. Amazing stuff.

Re: Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

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post #31
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It looks like a HOAX, the video doesn't show the vehicle in a test fly, or during a take off. 98% of the video either shows the vehicle going on the ground just like other non-flying cars or shows people discussing about a flying car.

Why the downvote? it really does look like a hoax. Plus when people say "flaying car" I expect a sci-fi like flying care: that it can hover and fly vertically, not have a parachute-like thing attached to it. This one really almost looks like an april fools joke.

really? Flying is hovering?

How angry will the birds be when I tell them they are doing it wrong?

Re: Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

#64
post #34

Yikes, what a death trap. This monstrosity combines the unreliability of a car with the dangers of a small aircraft. Cars are not as reliable as aircraft because they're not maintained as well, and the operators are far less disciplined. It is generally accepted that small aircraft aviation is generally 10x less safe than driving on both a passenger-mile and per-trip basis. And most small aircraft are flown for recre…

"Generally accepted" by whom? In General Aviation (think 4-seat "Cessnas" as opposed to commercial/airlines), you are far less likely to be involved in an accident than if you are driving a car. But GA accidents are likely to be much worse than auto accidents.

Auto drivers take the same kind of weather and maintenance risks when trying to conform to a schedule (when is the last time you went over 55mph on the 101 in the rain to catch a flight?). GxP for pilot training and cockpit management implore a "Safety First" approach, but it all still comes down to pilot decision making (which must be distinguished from "licensing rigor").

"Motorcycle with a parachute" is a pretty good way to describe this (although really it's a dune-buggy with a parachute--it has a roll cage and seatbelts). Looks less dangerous than a fixed-wing aircraft for the pilot and passengers (parachute landing at very slow speeds). Certainly less dangerous for the human and other "obstacles." So, low risk to you (less than your neighbor's SUV, for sure).

Re: Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

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I recently joined the ITEC team that makes the Maverick car. They desire to have a car that meets people's needs in remote areas. Often as you work in remote or even disaster areas, roads stop or are blocked. With the Maverick you pop up the sail and fly over the problem or take the shorter straight route. It does take about 10 minutes or less to get ready to fly. Can take off in 150 feet but 300 is advised for takeoff and landing, which is significantly less normal small planes.

It is designed so that "everyday" people can fly it, because the sail it is inherently more stable than a fixed wing aircraft. It has a steering wheel that you turn right it goes right. To go higher give it more gas to go lower give it less gas. No ailerons, flaps, rudder or elevator, it uses warping of the sail to turn.

If you guys have questions about ITEC or the Maverick I would be happy to answer them. BTW I have not flown in it yet, they only have the one proto-type and three more are in production. But I have gone 92mph on the ground and it can easily take my Corvette.

Doug at itecusa.org

Re: Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought exactly these two points when he said it's great for when you are stuck in a traffic jam and you can fly over everyone at 40mph. Well, not if everyone is already in there air! It would be funny in a weird twist of fate that if this was adopted an in 1000 years everyone started buying road cars again to avoid the airways congestion... I also thought about the props when he was just driving round, I don't kno…

The air is a whole lot bigger than the ground. Roads are 33 ft wide. The air is - the air! Its miles wide and 3D. It would conceivably be had to collide with another air car if you tried. Takeoff and landing is the risky time, and that is mitigated by the timing - it takes seconds to land this thing (100 yd airstrip) so you'd have to attempt to land at the same moment as someone else which is in your favor.

I agree but at the same time you would have hot spots. Shopping centres etc etc. This car is also not automated so how would you avoid mid air collisions? You would obviously need to land near your street, so there would need to be designated landing strips, you couldn't just plonk down in a field somewhere.

It would be like frequencies too, you would only be able to fly in a limited amount of "space". The rest would be reserved for airplanes and helicopters.

It's only the same as airplanes having to follow flight paths, there would be directions that car-o-planes could go in.

I know what you are saying but imagine London or New York with flying cars everywhere. The end result would really be no different. Concentrated areas with millions of cars flying in it.

Although... http://www.firebox.com/product/415/Moller-Skycar-M400

Re: Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

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post #56

To me a flying car is something which you could just decide to go up when driving along on the freeway not spend half an hour assembling it before you could fly. I've always thought a lifting-body blimp/dirigible vehicle such as the size of a minivan would do well, the majority of the space inside would be filled with helium. Carbon fibre for the skin and other very light-weight materials would be used. It would be l…

The biggest problem would be

a massive source of helium.

Re: Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sure, using an A&P is fine. Not sure what you were trying to say here, but using an A&P isn't "fine," it's mandatory , and it's very expensive. > ...less costly than that of a traditional airplane wouldn't you agree? Maybe a little, but not significantly. This still misses the point: airplanes are required to get periodic maintenance way more often than cars, and airplane mechanics cost way more than car mechanics.…

Not sure what you were trying to say here, but using an A&P isn't "fine," it's mandatory, and it's very expensive. I was trying to say factoring in an A&P wouldn't lead me to believe operational costs would necessarily jump to be prohibitively expensive. This still misses the point: airplanes are required to get periodic maintenance way more often than car But you're still missing my point. It's not an airplane :) In…

>But you're still missing my point. It's not an airplane :)

I understand what you're saying, and you're wrong. You're wrong because as far as the FAA is concerned, it is an aircraft, and if you want to fly in their airspace, you're going to have to follow the same exact rules as any other aircraft of the same category. They're not going to let you skimp on their safety and maintenance requirements just because you happen to drive it on the road part of the time.

>In other words, I would expect the work and associated costs (including a fully certified A&P) to be quite different on a hot air balloon, let's say with an added engine driven propeller, than on an airplane. The complexity difference is relevant because there is less to go wrong for safety and repair.

A hot air ballon does have very different maintenance requirements, mainly because it doesn't have an engine (the "P" in "A&P" is for Powerplants). As I keep saying, the main driver of added costs isn't so much things in need of repair, it's periodic maintenance. The FAA has rules that say, "After every n hours of engine time, you have to take your aicraft to an A&P for [inspection or overhaul]." (There are other types of intervals as well, in terms of airframe time or calendar time.) They don't care if those hours were spent flying or driving, either way you have to go pay an A&P to do that stuff. Those costs simply do not exist for cars, where maybe you have to stop in for an annual smog check. The simplicity might save you a few hours of labor costs with the A&P, but your cost structure is still going to be much closer to "airplane" than to "car."

But even when something does need fixing, you're still going to pay a lot more than you would to get a car fixed. The FAA won't let you go to a car mechanic to get the "car parts" fixed, they will insist on having all maintenance performed by an A&P. They are correct to insist on this, because any time you are flying it isn't 50% car or 40% car or 70% car, it's 100% aircraft.

>Maybe Maverick LSA hasn't thought your points through, and their project path is flawed. My belief is that it would be workable as a car.

I think their target customer is a very small niche: people of means trying to get around a country with lousy infrastructure. Odds are pretty good that a country that lacks quality roads also lacks a serious aviation administration, so all the stuff I've said about satisfying FAA safety requirements probably wouldn't apply. That still leaves the very real safety issues of flying around in something that wasn't maintained by someone qualified to work on aircraft, in a place where the nearest repair and medical facilities are potentially days away. A lot of this will probably be resolved by the fact that the kind of person who is going to motor off into the wilderness of a third-world country is probably the kind of self-sufficient person who gets qualified as an A&P before venturing off into the middle of nowhere.

Re: Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

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post #42
post #34

Yikes, what a death trap. This monstrosity combines the unreliability of a car with the dangers of a small aircraft. Cars are not as reliable as aircraft because they're not maintained as well, and the operators are far less disciplined. It is generally accepted that small aircraft aviation is generally 10x less safe than driving on both a passenger-mile and per-trip basis. And most small aircraft are flown for recre…

Think about it as a flying motorcycle. It trades safety for more mobility and lots of fun.

BTW they have an option that takes off the front two wheels and add a single wheel in front to make it a motorcycle (tricycle) it solves California regulations.

Re: Flying Car (and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds!)

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For all his talk of "flying over traffic," that he realizes how super-rural areas (places without roads) could be a major benefit from this is great. And smart. (Assuming it costs less than a small plane, which I imagine it does, and can carry an extra person reasonably.)

The more I think about this scenario, the less sense this vehicle makes.

He says it needs about 300 feet to take off and land--any decent bush pilot can do that with the right plane, and the best can do far better[1]. A used bush plane probably costs about the same as one of these things, and you can go several times faster than 40 mph. You could carry a lot more stuff, too.

But what if the landing strip is any significant distance from the place you're trying to get to? Well, if all of the terrain in-between is unsuitable for landing (forest, jugle, or just plain rugged), it's probably too rough for a tiny little car like this, too. Even if you [i]could[/i] use the car mode to go that last mile or so, it would still probably be faster to fly the first several hundred miles of the trip in a bush plane and then go the last bit on foot (or mule, etc.) rather than fly the first part at 40 mph and drive the last bit.

If you're talking about shorter trips (tens of miles instead of hundreds) without roads, it would be cheaper, faster, safer, and more effective to just get a jeep.

Can anybody propose a (non-edge case) scenario where you wouldn't be better off with either a bush plane or a jeep?

[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbHSRrcxzq8 (I should note that, while the plane in the first part only needs a few feet to get airborne, the part it doesn't show is where the pilot has to stay in ground effect to accelerate for another 200 feet or so before he can climb away.)

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