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Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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Whats the alternative to a sea wall? Beach reconstruction? Let the water reach the houses?

There's only one sustainable alternative: retreat, "managed" or unmanaged.

https://www.surfrider.org/search/results/710d4c63582a903c67a...

Scrape off the seaward row of houses, let the sand under them become the new beach. Neighbors across the street now get their turn at owning an oceanfront view. Repeat as required.

And then we can all look forward to walking on a sandy beach in our old age. Just a small matter of politics to make it so ...

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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post #12
post #6

Whats the alternative to a sea wall? Beach reconstruction? Let the water reach the houses?

Natural sand dunes with native vegetation are the best way, large erosion events will always happen and these limit the extent and provide a buffer for sand to be restored. I don't think you can have building on the oceanfront and keep beaches long term though.

Right. Studies:

https://www.usgs.gov/news/disappearing-beaches-modeling-shor...

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/201...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037838391...

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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I grew up in Lanikai. During the 1970s my friends and I played football on the beach fronting the 1500 block of Mokulua Dr.

In 1991 there were nothing but rocks facing the ocean at the same place.

In 2004 rocks were being imported to shore up the new McMansions, and the beaches had mostly disappeared west of the 1200 block.

The erosion was said by the elders to have been predictable because of all the local intervention with the constant ebb and flow of sand.

I regret to observe they were probably right.

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

#25
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How is this issue affected by rising sea levels? I'd think that those beaches are doomed anyway and not even sea walls are going to save those houses.

> not even sea walls are going to save those houses

I would like to believe that's true, but here in California new seawalls are a foot-thick web of epoxy-coated reinforcing bar, encased in two feet of concrete, on a foundation sunk some ten or so feet down into the sand. I have yet to hear of one of these falling down.

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The houses are doomed. Anything built right next to the ocean is temporary, and if you were dumb enough to put millions into a fancy house there, that should be taken as an expensive lesson. In the absence of seawalls, the beach will advance as the ocean rises, but the loss they're describing is far in excess of anything caused by sea level rise.

>The houses are doomed. Anything built right next to the ocean is temporary, and if you were dumb enough to put millions into a fancy house there, that should be taken as an expensive lesson Everything is doomed in the long run. Most of those houses look like they could withstand the The "expensive lesson" for the next several "dumb" owners could be that they owned a beautiful house and sold it for millions more than…

I think the problem is that even if the houses are far back enough that they are 1m about sea level, they are now at extreme risk of destruction if there is a major weather event where they might have previously avoided it.

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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post #6

Whats the alternative to a sea wall? Beach reconstruction? Let the water reach the houses?

I own a condo at one of the properties in the article. The building and surrounding buildings are working with the county to help restore the beach. In our case, pockets of sand were found just offshore and will be brought in along with some stabilizing structures to widen the beach by up to 150 feet. The buildings (specifically our AOAOs) are responsible for the cost.

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The houses are doomed. Anything built right next to the ocean is temporary, and if you were dumb enough to put millions into a fancy house there, that should be taken as an expensive lesson Everything is doomed in the long run. Most of those houses look like they could withstand the The "expensive lesson" for the next several "dumb" owners could be that they owned a beautiful house and sold it for millions more than…

I think the problem is that even if the houses are far back enough that they are 1m about sea level, they are now at extreme risk of destruction if there is a major weather event where they might have previously avoided it.

I don't think it is fair to say that they are now at an extreme risk of destruction.

Risks always exist. The risk of flooding is probably some small percent higher than it was 10 years ago, and 10 years before that. The risk will increase over the next 100+ years until the homes are destroyed.

It seems like a problem that will work itself out. Either insurance will go up, the house value will go down, or both.

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

#29
One thing I'm not clear of, what is the supposed intended purpose of these seawalls? The article doesn't explain that. Is it meant to prevent erosion, but simply back-firing? Or is a more flood prevention measure?

The cynic is me also wonders if some more reclusive property owners don't actually prefer having their property end at the water rather than a beach with public access rights.

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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One thing I'm not clear of, what is the supposed intended purpose of these seawalls? The article doesn't explain that. Is it meant to prevent erosion, but simply back-firing? Or is a more flood prevention measure? The cynic is me also wonders if some more reclusive property owners don't actually prefer having their property end at the water rather than a beach with public access rights.

It's to prevent catastrophic erosion to the property, at the expense of the beach. You build a house on the beach like a fool, then destroy the beach to protect your investment. Nature-loving people.
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