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Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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How is this issue affected by rising sea levels? I'd think that those beaches are doomed anyway and not even sea walls are going to save those houses.

In the long term, you are probably quite correct. In the short term though, the sea-walls give an impression of safety and protection, allowing the owners to sell their properties at great profit before the values collapse. Here in New Zealand, waterfront property owners have been making legal attempts to block authorities from placing warning notices in the Land Information Memorandum (LIM) documents. These LIM docu…

Lawsuits to prevent people from hearing about reality.

Here in Washington we have a lot of houses built far too close to bluffs, and the trees on those bluffs cut down because they block the amazing view. The views are amazing for a couple of decades. Then the bluff erodes far enough that the house is condemned.

Seattle has a special example called Perkins Lane. It is a beautiful, almost idyllic little street looking out over the water. It is also used in civil engineering classes as an example because it has every possible kind of landslide, and half the lots on it have ceased to exist over the past century. They're just water. You still see new houses being built there.

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Whats the alternative to a sea wall? Beach reconstruction? Let the water reach the houses?

Natural sand dunes with native vegetation are the best way, large erosion events will always happen and these limit the extent and provide a buffer for sand to be restored. I don't think you can have building on the oceanfront and keep beaches long term though.

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post #2

How is this issue affected by rising sea levels? I'd think that those beaches are doomed anyway and not even sea walls are going to save those houses.

The houses are doomed. Anything built right next to the ocean is temporary, and if you were dumb enough to put millions into a fancy house there, that should be taken as an expensive lesson. In the absence of seawalls, the beach will advance as the ocean rises, but the loss they're describing is far in excess of anything caused by sea level rise.

> that should be taken as an expensive lesson.

haha, laughs in global financial crisis

Haven't been paying attention? Rich people never have to learn lessons. Never.

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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How is this issue affected by rising sea levels? I'd think that those beaches are doomed anyway and not even sea walls are going to save those houses.

The beach erosion is accelerated by the presence of walls [1].

In general the regulation of seaside buildings is extremely lax in the US, and this takes a toll on the beaches. As a counter-example, in Greece seaside houses must be built at least 30m inlands from the end of the beach. It is also illegal to cut-off public access to the beach.

[1] http://www.beachapedia.org/Seawalls

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Whats the alternative to a sea wall? Beach reconstruction? Let the water reach the houses?

Build 20-30m further inlands. Perhaps also plant some trees or bushes at the end of the beach. But no, that won't do. The rich folks need to have the sea at pissing distance.

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Similar problem to what happened on the New Jersey coast (moving sand, non-moving mansions). Except in that case the rich beach house owners lobbied the federal government to spend hundreds of millions to bail them out. Wouldn't be surprised if we see a similar dredging effort paid for by the federal government in Hawaii.

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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Not mentioned by propublica's page, local resistance on Oahu:

https://oahu.surfrider.org/category/beach-preservation/

Couple of posts in 2020, sadly nothing for 2017-2019.

If you live in the US, and care about being able to visit a beach in the future, consider supporting the Beach Preservation committee of your local Surfrider chapter:

https://www.surfrider.org/initiatives/coastal-preservation

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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I live in Oahu and believe me there's still plenty of beach.

Even if their main figure is true (20% loss of beach area in 100 years), that doesn't seem so bad. I would be surprised if the figure hadn't changed because the tide and ocean has busy hands.

Honestly I have a lot of faith that the Army Corps of Engineers could step in and figure things out if it was a big problem.

Disclosure: I have no scientific expertise here and I'm just a huge Obama fanboy and feel if the family wants a seawall we should let the family have a seawall. C'mon he took a job where 10% of previous occupants were assassinated—they earned this one.

Re: Hawaii’s Beaches Are Disappearing

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post #2

How is this issue affected by rising sea levels? I'd think that those beaches are doomed anyway and not even sea walls are going to save those houses.

The houses are doomed. Anything built right next to the ocean is temporary, and if you were dumb enough to put millions into a fancy house there, that should be taken as an expensive lesson. In the absence of seawalls, the beach will advance as the ocean rises, but the loss they're describing is far in excess of anything caused by sea level rise.

>The houses are doomed. Anything built right next to the ocean is temporary, and if you were dumb enough to put millions into a fancy house there, that should be taken as an expensive lesson

Everything is doomed in the long run. Most of those houses look like they could withstand the The "expensive lesson" for the next several "dumb" owners could be that they owned a beautiful house and sold it for millions more than they bought it.

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