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After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by mrtksn »

smnrchrds wrote: post #47
AlexandrB wrote: post #5

Another sign that several FAANGs exist as a monopoly. When you're so big that you can provide effectively no customer service to a customer spending in the 10s of millions (and they have no competitor they can go to afterwards) there's a problem.

I agree with you. When the issue of Apple's anti-competitive behaviour comes up on HN, it is always rebuffed by saying Apple does not have a monopoly—its US share of smartphone market is merely 40%. This is demonstration that you don't need a 100% market share to act anti-competitively. Facebook and Google each have less than 30% market share in ad spend in the US.

When Apple rejects your App you receive an explanation and even screenshots and a call from the reviewer with suggestions how to fix it.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by torgard »

mrtksn wrote: post #231
smnrchrds wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you. When the issue of Apple's anti-competitive behaviour comes up on HN, it is always rebuffed by saying Apple does not have a monopoly—its US share of smartphone market is merely 40%. This is demonstration that you don't need a 100% market share to act anti-competitively. Facebook and Google each have less than 30% market share in ad spend in the US.

When Apple rejects your App you receive an explanation and even screenshots and a call from the reviewer with suggestions how to fix it.

They do? I was under the impression that they don't.

I specifically remember submitting an app, and getting denied. The response we got was relatively vague, saying it was breaking ToS. No screenshots, no call or anything of the sort.

This was the first submission though.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by ketamine__ »

dang wrote: post #167
_vertigo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is absolutely full to the brim with “crap content”. Crap content happens to be what drives engagement, so hosting crap content is a large part of Facebook’s business model. You’re speaking with a pretty authoritative tone there as though you’re absolutely sure that Facebook has had a change of heart and only wants to host quality content, and there’s no other reason why the pages were removed. Do you have so…

Please don't harangue another user like this. The site guidelines put it this way: "Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Curious conversation requires a certain lightness of touch. You can still make your same point that way; actually it will work better that way.

He asked for proof. What part of this statement do you object to? Or is asking you this question not allowed as well because it's not curious enough?

> You’re speaking with a pretty authoritative tone there as though you’re absolutely sure that Facebook has had a change of heart and only wants to host quality content, and there’s no other reason why the pages were removed. Do you have some sort of proof for that, or are you just speculating?

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by ipsum2 »

BikiniPrince wrote: post #128
blantonl wrote: post #61

Let's be fair here. Shared.com is in the business of producing and distributing crap content. That's a subjective term, but it's like the supreme court ruling on pornography, you'll know it when you see it. These guys most likely "skirt the line" to just operate as a mediocre and crappy content distribution network, that at scale, makes a lot of money because there is a certain subset of the population that will eat…

Well let’s be fair here. They made that conscious decision after running away with the money. After the first few mil wouldn’t you understand your partner a little better? At 57 it’s a rocky divorce and you know full well who you were sleeping with.

To be fair, it's a business transaction. I can sell you $50 million widgets, and decide to not sell you any more for (almost) any reason.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by mrtksn »

torgard wrote: post #232
mrtksn wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Apple rejects your App you receive an explanation and even screenshots and a call from the reviewer with suggestions how to fix it.

They do? I was under the impression that they don't. I specifically remember submitting an app, and getting denied. The response we got was relatively vague, saying it was breaking ToS. No screenshots, no call or anything of the sort. This was the first submission though.

They do, Previously I wrote a few things about my experience with Apple. Rejection is manageable when you deal with people since you can actually reason with, unlike algorithms.

Here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25137475

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by WheelsAtLarge »

This should serve as a warning to all business owners. Relying on any one channel for your business can be very risky as we can see with the problems this business is having.

I don't know if Facebook is right or wrong here but the big internet companies are big enough now that they need an independent review board for cases like this. Yet, we hear rumblings of it happening but it has not. I wonder what it will take for that to happen?

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by CamperBob2 »

nojokes wrote: post #121
blantonl wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With regards to this, my point was that Facebook doesn't want to get into a long drawn out discussion with whataboutisms and splitting hairs on policy. They made a business decision to move on from this content platform. I love to hate on facebook with the best of them, but they really don't "owe" anyone anything. There seems to be this pervasive attitude in technology circles that platforms "owe" other businesses an…

In what kind of Lalaland is 50 million nothing?

In the context of advertising, I read "57M" as $57,000. They would normally write 57MM if they meant $57 million, wouldn't they?
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