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After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by zentiggr »

logronoide wrote: post #11

It’s hard to understand that a business partner for 15 years and after dozens of millions of dollars spent can kick you in the @@s and ghost you without any explanation. This kind of behaviors from large corporations have to stop.

No one but Google, Apple or Amazon are remotely close to being 'partners' with Facebook. Unless you count hedge finds or multinationals in other industries.

Facebook's cash flow is enough that even this company's revenue is a rounding error on _weekly_ numbers.

In other words, FB don't care, don't let the door hit you.

If some player has a few billion in FB revenue at stake, I'll bet they can at least reach a first tier CSR.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by slumdev »

ben_w wrote: post #32
logronoide wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is fully dependent from FB. He cannot bite the hand that feeds him. I think it’s a smart move to reach the front page of HN before taking this to court.

If he’s been kicked off their network, does he have anything to lose by biting the hand that used to feed him?

Whining at the right people has a nonzero chance of getting him back on Facebook.

Lawyering up has zero chance.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by zentiggr »

boffinism wrote: post #56

Lots of comments here to the effect of "shame on you for letting yourself be so dependent on them", but the awful thing is that there are so many businesses whose unit economics _only_ make sense if they can buy visitors via Facebook. They are way, way cheaper for a lot of B2C businesses than any other ad network. I don't know why. Is it because people who are browsing FB/IG are bored and actively looking for ads to…

Sounds like cases of 'play with fire, you're going to get burned'.

If your business is dependent on FB, time to pivot. Q. E. D.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by [deleted] »

blantonl wrote: post #203
dang wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obviously a judgment call but I don't think the GP comment was super pejorative. It was fulminating a bit (also against the guidelines), but not so much that we would post a moderation scolding. The issue with the comment I replied to is that it crossed into a personal harangue. That tends to degrade discussion much faster—note how with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25634048 the thread is already headed d…

Who are you dang? Are you an official representative of HN? Because it appears that the vast majority of your comments are nothing but comments about other people's comments, or directives to follow guidelines. Frankly, it seems more positive for the community to vote with their feet on comments and posts vs one individual continuously navigating through posts and threads telling people how to behave. I'm serious abo…

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Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by zentiggr »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #166
kitkat_new wrote: post #10

fully in the hands of Facebook Absolutely deserved. I hope others use this as an opportunity to learn and not make the same mistake. (completely ignoring ads being a shady business anyways)

What mistakes? Trusting Facebook?

Yes.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by picodguyo »

I'm surprised by all the comments blaming the author here. Even if their content is garbage, they made foolish business decisions, yadda yadda, Facebook's policy of banning business accounts and all associated personal accounts with no explanation or recourse should not be allowed legally.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st »

Lots of comments on here about whether it is good or bad to kick this particular company off the platform.

Regardless of if the overall decision is good or bad, how FB goes about it, including messaging and forewarning is something that there is no excuse to not get right.

Saying look at our ToS is absurd.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by bigiain »

Retric wrote: post #190
rkachowski wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you know Facebook decided anything? It could just as easily been an algorithmic error.

Algorithms don’t close 57 Million dollar advertising accounts without some oversight.

Not even “move fast and break things” evolved algorithms?

(I suspect you are right though, and this is more likely to be a “hot or not” type arbitrary decision from a management team developed around superficial face value judgements and zero empathy... Apple ended up with a “Jobs culture”, Facebook reflects Zuckerberg...)

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by chillacy »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #179
vosper wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> representing speculative things as high-confidence erodes your credibility I wish you were right, but I actually think most of the time the exact opposite is true: appearing highly-confident about speculative things makes someone seem more credible, rather than less.

Right up until something you say gets proven to be wrong. The higher confidence you presented your wrong statement, the higher the hit to your credibility will be.

I very much want this to be true but it seems you’ll do fine if you can confidently spew off another explanation.

https://religiondispatches.org/a-year-after-the-non-apocalyp...

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Post by rlt »

blantonl wrote: post #203
dang wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obviously a judgment call but I don't think the GP comment was super pejorative. It was fulminating a bit (also against the guidelines), but not so much that we would post a moderation scolding. The issue with the comment I replied to is that it crossed into a personal harangue. That tends to degrade discussion much faster—note how with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25634048 the thread is already headed d…

Who are you dang? Are you an official representative of HN? Because it appears that the vast majority of your comments are nothing but comments about other people's comments, or directives to follow guidelines. Frankly, it seems more positive for the community to vote with their feet on comments and posts vs one individual continuously navigating through posts and threads telling people how to behave. I'm serious abo…

You’ve been on HN since 2009, surely you know who dang is.
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