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America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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Right, the one guy trying to knock it all down, you decide to vote out of office, because the Elites said he was racist. Bravo! Typical stupid Americans doing exactlt what the Elites want.

I would say that Trump's ability to convince people he is knocking down the elites, and instead using the office to benefit both his elite self and his elite inner circle is his greatest hustle, but actually, its quiet an ordinary move that elites have been pulling since the start of time. I feel like to really knock down the elites, you need someone who is not elite. However, anyone who rises to this kind of status…

So you're a radical. You want revolution, not reform. Got it.

Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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At a certain point, does automation/robotics swing the manufacturing base back towards the west?

No. Because China is working on that too. This is what their Made in China 2025 initiative is all about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025

"The plan aims to upgrade the manufacturing capabilities of Chinese industries, growing from labor-intensive workshops into a more technology-intensive powerhouse.[6] The goals of Made in China 2025 include increasing the Chinese-domestic content of core materials to 40 percent by 2020 and 70 percent by 2025."

This is a major source of all the economic anxieties the US government and allies are feeling.

China isn't just a source of cheap labor anymore. Cheap labor was what it had to offer because it was so under developed but they aren't blind to history. They know they have to move up the value chain and have been gradually but steadily moving up.

Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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Comparative advantage never made any sense. It's a model of a world without technology, without supply chains, without increasing returns to scale, and only two countries.

You sort of had me until the last claim (no more than two countries), I know for a fact their models are more advanced than that. Any actual economist care to chime in and explain comparative advantage?

This is an amazing article, which provides both views https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/comparativeadvantage.as...

Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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We were sold down the river by our own elites, particularly on Wall Street and with the full complicity of the Economics Departments of the west. "Comparative Advantage", something something about corn and wool, meanwhile the whole supply chain was moved to China, our middle class was decimated and we went into tremendous amounts of debt to pretend everything was fine... Left, right... whatever. The elites have faile…

Replacing all the financial and political elites is a good idea, they have demonstrated incompetence at running the economy.

But it is too easy to blame them and overlook the role of the public. Particularly in politics, where it cannot be overlooked that the voters vote for whoever they want. This didn't creep up on the US - this was a 30-40 year process overseen by the Boomers which anyone could have seen coming had they looked. Many did, it was obvious China was the future. It is well worth being sober, realistic and evidence based about what they did and whether their successes and failures were correctly learned by the next generation.

I think the 30s and under have learned a lot more lessons about the environment and social theory than developed an understanding of why China is becoming the pre-eminent world power, why it is led by Communists and whether the US should have done things differently.

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The problem isn't comparative advantage, it's that the US left the poor states to languish with poor education. So instead of higher quality manufacturing / blue collar jobs, non-educated folks got minimum wage service jobs.

The US is at or near the top of all western countries on educational spending per student: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp

The US also has the highest spending in health care per capita.

Spending does not equal outcomes.

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We were sold down the river by our own elites, particularly on Wall Street and with the full complicity of the Economics Departments of the west. "Comparative Advantage", something something about corn and wool, meanwhile the whole supply chain was moved to China, our middle class was decimated and we went into tremendous amounts of debt to pretend everything was fine... Left, right... whatever. The elites have faile…

The stock market and housing prices are higher than ever, so a large part of the population is doing good. Not just the elites have benefited from the spoils, people with retirement portfolios and paid-off houses are sitting nice and flush.

> The stock market and housing prices are higher than ever, so a large part of the population is doing good.

confusing the map for the terrain

Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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We were sold down the river by our own elites, particularly on Wall Street and with the full complicity of the Economics Departments of the west. "Comparative Advantage", something something about corn and wool, meanwhile the whole supply chain was moved to China, our middle class was decimated and we went into tremendous amounts of debt to pretend everything was fine... Left, right... whatever. The elites have faile…

Your politicians failed you. You vote for them, and you feel good if they win. But then what happens? Nothing. The rich keeps getting richer. While the poor stays poor. And the middle class becomes poorer. The elites just wants to make more money. And what do they do? They buy out the politicians, in order to keep themselves rich. And what’s the biggest lie that they’ve sold you? That trickle-down-economics works for…

Who is the "you" here? Given that this is a tech focused website, I bet a lot of people on here have done very well in recent years. Hard to consider the 20- and 30- something year olds making $500k/year at a FAANG or a few million dollars when the unicorn they work for IPOs an oppressed class.

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84% of wealth in the stock market is in the hands of the top 10% Not sure about housing.

Yea, this isn't true. Most of the money in the markets are from the average Joe's 401k, or pension. Wealthy people put their wealth to work in private equity, or venture capital. I am just disgusted at how incompetent people are, and how they reiterate what they heard from CNN, Foxnews, or morons like Ron Paul. Now, Banks, and Funds manage large amounts of cash, but again, Pensions and 401k's make up the most of it.

> Most of the money in the markets are from the average Joe's 401k, or pension.

Can you provide a source for that? I looked for one and couldn’t find one, but if you had one I would love to read it.

Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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84% of wealth in the stock market is in the hands of the top 10% Not sure about housing.

Yea, this isn't true. Most of the money in the markets are from the average Joe's 401k, or pension. Wealthy people put their wealth to work in private equity, or venture capital. I am just disgusted at how incompetent people are, and how they reiterate what they heard from CNN, Foxnews, or morons like Ron Paul. Now, Banks, and Funds manage large amounts of cash, but again, Pensions and 401k's make up the most of it.

Yea, it IS true. Do you have a source? The comment above you has a source that includes

> the wealthiest 10% own 84% of all publicly traded stocks, mutual funds, trusts, or various pension account assets

Looks like pensions are included and mutual funds which are likely a majority of 401Ks.

Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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Your politicians failed you. You vote for them, and you feel good if they win. But then what happens? Nothing. The rich keeps getting richer. While the poor stays poor. And the middle class becomes poorer. The elites just wants to make more money. And what do they do? They buy out the politicians, in order to keep themselves rich. And what’s the biggest lie that they’ve sold you? That trickle-down-economics works for…

Who is the "you" here? Given that this is a tech focused website, I bet a lot of people on here have done very well in recent years. Hard to consider the 20- and 30- something year olds making $500k/year at a FAANG or a few million dollars when the unicorn they work for IPOs an oppressed class.

And yet they are. Petite bourgeoisie and all that.
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