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After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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I watched a documentary called “Suits” a while back about a corporate legal firm and that convinced me that you are wrong. Those well dressed professionals will use anything you say against you in the court of law!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1632701/ is a documentary? I am afraid you failed to read the fine print ;) I think the average legalese boilerplate is along the following lines: All characters and events depicted in this film are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

You're replying to obvious sarcasm.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Let's be fair here. Shared.com is in the business of producing and distributing crap content. That's a subjective term, but it's like the supreme court ruling on pornography, you'll know it when you see it. These guys most likely "skirt the line" to just operate as a mediocre and crappy content distribution network, that at scale, makes a lot of money because there is a certain subset of the population that will eat…

Wow, you were right about crap content. I'd never heard of shared.com, but the articles on that site are complete garbage. I really don't understand how that sort of thing can generate enough money to spend millions of dollars on ads.

arbitration. Spend less on FB ads than what you earn shoving ads into the users browser. That's the real thing here, FB knows they can get crap content and earn more than 54 million lost in advertising it to 3rd party.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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I've become increasingly more skeptical when I read those stories. Let me be clear, I absolutely despise Facebook, but as I understand it, they are massively under fire from all sorts of governments over moderating the content which is posted on their platforms. There is a chance that this business knew they were doing something borderline dodgy in a grey area and Facebook started to weed those "bad" actors out in th…

I agree that skepticism is necessary, but it's likely a lot less logical than that.

They probably tripped some algorithm.

This happened last year to podcast-addict (one of the most popular applications in Google's Android store) [1]. The lesson I take away is: even big players spending millions are subject to the algorithm.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23219427

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Let's be fair here. Shared.com is in the business of producing and distributing crap content. That's a subjective term, but it's like the supreme court ruling on pornography, you'll know it when you see it. These guys most likely "skirt the line" to just operate as a mediocre and crappy content distribution network, that at scale, makes a lot of money because there is a certain subset of the population that will eat…

Wow, you were right about crap content. I'd never heard of shared.com, but the articles on that site are complete garbage. I really don't understand how that sort of thing can generate enough money to spend millions of dollars on ads.

This is very common content marketing content. These articles are not intended to educate the reader, they're written to get high search rankings, and high click throughs.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Let's be fair here. Shared.com is in the business of producing and distributing crap content. That's a subjective term, but it's like the supreme court ruling on pornography, you'll know it when you see it. These guys most likely "skirt the line" to just operate as a mediocre and crappy content distribution network, that at scale, makes a lot of money because there is a certain subset of the population that will eat…

> Shared.com is in the business of producing and distributing crap content. ... > They just aren't going to bring themselves down to the level... and I don't blame them. Without being familiar with Shared, I'm willing to take you at your word on the company. I do question your conclusion though. I've seen no indications that Facebook has any standards and if anything they seem to promote crap content not bury it. If…

There's a difference between "crap content" shared by users on the platform, and crap content promoted via ads.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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I agree with you. When the issue of Apple's anti-competitive behaviour comes up on HN, it is always rebuffed by saying Apple does not have a monopoly—its US share of smartphone market is merely 40%. This is demonstration that you don't need a 100% market share to act anti-competitively. Facebook and Google each have less than 30% market share in ad spend in the US.

Sadly, only 40% when your opposition is fragmented and frankly a crap interface. There are many things I like about Android, but most of them are philosophical. I find navigating it atrocious and I have spent quite a bit time reverse engineering some applications. Again, this is the competitor to apple? How much does each market capture. I suspect apple is doing much better here.

> I find navigating it atrocious and I have spent quite a bit time reverse engineering some applications.

I could say the same thing about Apple.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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I agree with you. When the issue of Apple's anti-competitive behaviour comes up on HN, it is always rebuffed by saying Apple does not have a monopoly—its US share of smartphone market is merely 40%. This is demonstration that you don't need a 100% market share to act anti-competitively. Facebook and Google each have less than 30% market share in ad spend in the US.

The fact that 30% app store tax exists and both stores (App Store by Apple and Google Play Store) have somewhat similar strategies highly indicate collusion going on. Apple only changed it for people making under $1m a year after people got mad and they got sued by Epic Games or they knew Epic Games was coming for their asses. But they know that majority of their revenue comes from pubs making over $1m a year which t…

Perhaps you would also consider book publishers as colluding since they too have a "tax" to publish books.

Even with ePubs book publishers are likely to take 50—75%. Print books the publishers still take 85% and higher.

Now that is a tax. But I would not call it collusion.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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With regards to this, my point was that Facebook doesn't want to get into a long drawn out discussion with whataboutisms and splitting hairs on policy. They made a business decision to move on from this content platform. I love to hate on facebook with the best of them, but they really don't "owe" anyone anything. There seems to be this pervasive attitude in technology circles that platforms "owe" other businesses an…

In what kind of Lalaland is 50 million nothing?

I guess parent comment is comparing facebook's quarterly revenue (~20 Billion) from ad sales, 50 million would be a fraction of a percent of 1 quarter of ad revenue I would imagine for a company like Facebook.

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> I think the warning about building your business on someone else's land There aren't really any businesses which have sovereign territory

That's an interesting position (and I'm not disputing it) but if you were a business that has sovereign territory, you still need utilities (Internet). Penn State has its own data-centers, is part of the Internet2 consortium and has dedicated fiber to both AWS and Azure but you're still ultimately reliant on those you're leasing the connections from - even if you own the fiber, you're probably leasing the right-of-wa…

Carrier's ability to influence has everything to do with their duopoloy on the last mile to the eyeballs.

If you're in the position to lease a connection to an internet exchange, you've got tons of options for transit from there. And leasing fiber is generally a matter of location and cost, not content; I don't know if it's strictly common carrier, but it might be.

Re: After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off

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Let's be fair here. Shared.com is in the business of producing and distributing crap content. That's a subjective term, but it's like the supreme court ruling on pornography, you'll know it when you see it. These guys most likely "skirt the line" to just operate as a mediocre and crappy content distribution network, that at scale, makes a lot of money because there is a certain subset of the population that will eat…

If it was Facebook's policy to remove what hackernews determines to be "crap content" then this should be communicated to the users so that they can adjust their behavior. They did not change their policies nor was the account flagged as being outside the TOS.
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