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Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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I’m just curious to know can you make calls using Apple Watch

Yep! You can accept and make calls with an Apple Watch, even with the non-cellular version, as long as your phone is in bluetooth range. It even works without being connected to headphones, although I can't recommend that for long calls. With the cellular version and the appropriate mobile contract you're not bound to the iPhone bluetooth range anymore.

Oh okay Well you just made it easier for me. I’ll definitely get an apple watch to stay connected with calls whenever I lock my phone in kitchensafe

Thanks

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Given this is Hacker News, I await the solution of LSD-assisted therapy to counter phone addiction to be proposed soon.

Lol I'm not proposing an LSD-based solution, but I do have a relevant anecdote from my first trip. We were on the beach sitting on blankets, and my phone somehow got lost in the folds of the blanket while I was coming up. For the next ~4 hours I basically forgot "who" I was, being deprived of a phone that constantly shows me my friends, notes, and pictures. Eventually, I did find my phone and it was the weirdest expe…

ha, this reminds me of Manfred Macx forgetting who he was without his digital glasses and associated suite of external agents in Accelerando

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> The society they are a part of does consider it a worthwhile skill, [...] It only mitgologizes it. That's not the same thing. When they rejoin economy nobody says "let me offer you a job or money or food or a place to live because now you can kill people on miltary command". The only places where people might find your "skill" worthwhile outside the place that conditioned you are criminal or borderline criminal.

It’s odd to me that you have a concept that the military is somehow not part of society as a whole. For better or worse, the military is interwoven throughout society. It is an institutional construct of society. It is a part of society like other institutions like Congress or the courts. I don’t know that your point of “rejoining they economy” holds up well in that context. People have felt the military is the stron…

> Again, individuals may disagree but society at large has decided its of enough value to keep in existence.

I firmly believe that's the other way around. Society has ybo say about whether military should exist.

There are always people who prefer to focus on arming themselves and extorting others. Either by threatening or offering protection from threat, which blend together.

People argue whether goverment rules the people, or if the people are actually stronger then goverment and goverment rules just because people will it.

The truth becomes apparent when government and people can't keep stable relationship between themselves and ability to collect tax is threatened. Then the military steps in and supports either government or the people.

That's because the only reason military allows goverments and people do what they do is that it results in steady stream of taxation that military can feed on.

Of course people also benefit from tax being collected in stable and predictable manner instead of military just roaming their country and taking whatever it desires randomly.

Nations, armies and goverments are most advanced mechanisms of keeping human violent extortionists and most dangerous technologies from interfering with the economy.

It's of tremendous benefit to our civilisation, except for two world wars which I hope were enough for militaries to learn that they can't efficiently steal economies to extort from neighbouring militaries.

But nontheless if you join the army you join the organisation that's freeloading on everybody else while sharpening teeth that will be used against them if they misbehave. Until you stay there you are golden. But if you plan to rejoin the rest of the world at some point, time spent in the military will be at best wasted years for you and cause of much damage to your life and psyche at worst due to conditioning and abuse you underwent.

Can you get something good out of it? Sure. But how many ex-military end up in dangerous jobs or without purpose in life outside, treating damage done to them by military with opioids? You probably don't have them in your social circle but I'd say there are at least a few for each one of your ex-Marine friends doing charity.

This belief of mine is mostly based on concept of "monopoly for violence" if you want to read more about it.

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Lol I'm not proposing an LSD-based solution, but I do have a relevant anecdote from my first trip. We were on the beach sitting on blankets, and my phone somehow got lost in the folds of the blanket while I was coming up. For the next ~4 hours I basically forgot "who" I was, being deprived of a phone that constantly shows me my friends, notes, and pictures. Eventually, I did find my phone and it was the weirdest expe…

It sounds like you're correlating forgetting who you were and the phone, but you should be correlating the LSD and forgetting who you were. These drugs de-activate the "ego" forming parts of the brain, the parts that make us feel like an author/being/center of it all.

While it's certainly true that LSD is the primary reason I had ego semi-dissolution in this experience, I'm saying that phones serve to reinforce our understanding of ourselves by "interrupting" our raw conscious experience with memories and data that we correlate with our self. On other trips where I had my phone, or when I was at home in an environment I've known all my life, I had virtually no ego dissolution at all.

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Why would anyone do that? Smartphones make a whole lot of the economy a whole lot of money. I imagine there'd be a much bigger fight that over say, drugs or even AR-style rifles.

Well cocaine makes the economy a whole lot of money too...

Go on..

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I've been with dozens of people on their first trip with acid that I knew was acid. And I've had dozens more experiences with people thinking they were taking acid when it was really 25I or something even worse (if it tastes like something, it's not acid). When I was younger taking any drug anyone could get their hands on, I was usually in the latter camp. And I think very few people are privileged enough to not be i…

Although my original comment was specifically about the toxicity of mushrooms, as somebody who’s never tried any of these drugs I’m curious if there’s a distinct difference between the type of trip with LSD vs mushrooms? Is one more likely to induce a violent trip for example?

They are different, but maybe not consistently so for everyone. The visual distortions might be similar but the feeling will probably be different.

I get a certain uncomfortable bodily sensation on LSD, to the point that after fifty or sixty experiences with it I no longer use it. I strongly prefer mushrooms and suggest mixing them with small amounts of MDMA for an incredible experience.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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I do following which reduced my phone usage drastically.

1. Delete social media apps and use web version instead. (like twitter, facebook, linkedin.)

2. By doing step 1, you may overuse web version of social media platforms also. To prevent this, use a website blocking application. I use BlockSite. Make BlockSite password protected, so you cannot update/remove blocked sites easily.

3. Use a long password to unlock your phone.

Today, I do not use social media at all. I just check once a week wikipedia's main to page for the latest news. Entering a long password introduces a 5-7 seconds delay to open your phone and to surf on internet. So because of this 5-7 seconds overhead, i usually decide not to touch my phone if it is really not required. But without this overhead, since it was too easy to surf on internet, i usually decided to do so and spent lots of time unnecessarily.

And for hackernews, I was checking https://news.ycombinator.com/best frequently. Then i have developed, www.hntoplinks.com (hacker news aggregator daily/weekly/montly...) 7 years ago, but eventually started to spend too much time on my own web page and finally added subscription feature. http://www.hntoplinks.com/subscribe So I have subscribed for weekly and monthly and annual top news. I receive an email on Monday morning 7AM, before starting the week. I just go through links and it gives me a good overview of the week. I do not use https://news.ycombinator.com/ and www.hntoplinks.com directly anymore.

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But once they leave, veterans don't do that great statistically. And you can't be marine forever.

That’s a good point and probably why there is an increased focus on the transition to civilian life. I suspect the distinctions between civilian and military life are what makes the transition difficult. The #1 thing they miss is the camaraderie, not the ability to blow shit up (although the adrenaline of the job is probably high on the list). To the overall point of this thread, that lack of connection in society is…

Yes, difference make it hard. They also acquire both physical and mental health issues. Mental health issues in particular makes them more likely to end up homeless or in prison, more likely to be violent.

It is not just camaraderie and connection, it is whole different expectations on what you should do. It is difficulty to find and keep job for example. Not having required skills, having trouble to communicate.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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One thing that proved very useful for me was to decouple impulse from habit. Instead of immediately jumping to HN or "yet another youtube conference video for some language I'm only tangentially curious about", I use a browser extension (Leechblock) to give myself a lot of time (an hour) at the end of the day. This trick works in two ways 1. when I feel that urge during the workday, my emotional brain thinks "oh boy!…

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Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Who mentioned talking to relatives about the weather? Is that the only alternative you have to being on the computer all the time? How about spending some time outdoors?

> Who mentioned talking to relatives about the weather? Who mentioned spending all time on reddit on new? We can't just take the good non computer activities and compare them to crap computer activities. I don't see why unfulfilling computer activities would be more worse than the unfulfilling non computer activities and vice versa.

Great for you if you can. Many of us have a harder time doing so and end up doing things which we end up regretting. For one I think I spend too much time on HN. I did a few detoxes and eventually sucumbed to it again.
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