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Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by brewdad »

johndevor wrote: post #113
pjc50 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> their America doesn't include murdering thy neighbor. They might "want to kill each other" Well, you can find a lot of message boards in which they fantasize about doing this. And it sells a lot of weapons. But the energy barrier is high; people like Kyle Rittenhouse cross it only rarely enough that they can be dismissed as isolated incidents. It's not every day that someone blows up a telephone exchange. Just anot…

> people like Kyle Rittenhouse Don't forget the people that shot at him and tried to stomp his head in.

He went looking for a fight. A fight he had no business being anywhere near. I have no sympathy for Rittenhouse.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by jariel »

Bakary wrote: post #112

Some ideas on this topic: 1. Inconvenience based solutions don't address the problem: using apps to restrict phone use, physically hiding the phone etc. Once you leave those carefully constrained conditions, you are more vulnerable than ever. Not to mention the contradiction with the core issue that it's a symptom rather than a cause. 2. Turning abstinence as an ongoing status condition (e.g. "X days since I did Y")…

Do you remember life before the Internet?

Because it reads as though maybe you don't remember.

It's not that big of a deal, just put it away.

You need your phone far less than you think you do, just put it away for some occasions, maybe don't take to lunch (or to work).

Being 'homebound' is a great excuse to get rid of it: other than SMS, everything else can be had via the web, and the notebook form factor is not nearly so mobile.

The 'problem' is real but the intensity I think is overblown.

We haven't had phones for the last 10 000 years of civil evolution and 50% of people alive today remember quite clearly a time when we didn't have them and it was just fine.

Finally: "The eventual goal is a rich life" it never was that, that rich. Reading, practising music, walking, watching TV, listening to music - it's not necessarily very 'rich' it's just different for the most part. The romanticized notion of what a 'rich life' is might be a little bit of the problem.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by ehnto »

torben-friis wrote: post #126
launderthis wrote: post #9

correlation does not equal causation. Phone addiction or internet addiction is a symptom not a cause. People are escaping to the internet becuase of the world we live in is cold. There is a new US marine commerical out that shows a kid wandering the street kind of lost in hyper interactive world. The commercial plays off of this internet addiction and data mining product selling. Then clips to them becoming a Marine…

> And that a Maga hat and Antifa supporter might be neighbors but want to kill eachother. That Maga hat and antifa might not be as opposed in views if they talked to each other. The problem is that we've reduced friction for finding like minded people so far that it's not worth it to go through the unpleasantness of talking with strangers.

The platform also magnifies shallow thought from a minority of contributors. One of the signals we use to mediate our thoughts is how we think our cohorts feel about something, this is even more true for people without much critical thinking skill.

An individual can have extreme views and end up inside an echochamber that makes them think they're in the company of millions when in reality it's just a handful of others (and probably some bot accounts).

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Post by chillwaves »

8note wrote: post #171
maqp wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Few more ideas: 1. When I quit Facebook, I first started disabling my account but that didn't work, at all. It just brought me back. Every time. I realized it wasn't a feature for deleting account, it was a pressure relieve valve for people who need a quick break because they felt the service had taken control of too large a portion of their lives. FB didn't want people to quit and they didn't offer such feature. I s…

I find it surprising that there's no push for regulating engagement algorithms similar to tobacco and gambling. The same kinds of bad behaviours are being done by companies to profit off of addiction

Not only that, but loot boxes in games targeting children is just rampant.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by throwaway77_a »

Sargos wrote: post #177
originalvichy wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely have a browsing addiction. Learning things as an information junkie is addictive. What’s funny is that when I go for trips in the mountains with little to no internet I do fine. It is less like a chemical addiction and more like a habitual craving. If I have more interesting things to do I will not browse. If I’m bored though...

Are you learning specific things for a passion, hobby, or job or learning random facts and TILs?

I’m not the OP, but for me it’s a mix, usually aligning more toward the latter, just like this post which was delivered to me as a notification.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by jasonv »

tasogare wrote: post #149
jasonv wrote: post #145

I’ll repeat a recommendation I’ve made before: reinstall your smartphone’s OS, don’t restore from a backup, and install as few apps as possible. Start bare. Then get on with your life and see how little you can get away with on your phone. A lot of apps I still had on my phone were installed in my “enthusiast” stage of iPhone living, and they never went away. Once I started over, I was just fine minimal-ing my iPhone…

Can’t remove the browser though and this is my biggest timesink.

Not sure what platform you’re on, but searching “disable safari ios” yielded some measures.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by ehnto »

Bakary wrote: post #112

Some ideas on this topic: 1. Inconvenience based solutions don't address the problem: using apps to restrict phone use, physically hiding the phone etc. Once you leave those carefully constrained conditions, you are more vulnerable than ever. Not to mention the contradiction with the core issue that it's a symptom rather than a cause. 2. Turning abstinence as an ongoing status condition (e.g. "X days since I did Y")…

The trouble with Urge Surfing for browsing is my urges to browse are so quickly acted upon that there is never actually a feeling of urge to tip me off. It takes milliseconds for me to spin up a new tab and get onto reddit, and the vast majority of time that means I'm already subconsciously browsing and I won't notice.

For me it took banning the sites entirely, so that when I am met with the "could not connect" screen I realise what's happened and I need to go be mindful so that I can get into an intentional mindset again.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by swayvil »

originalvichy wrote: post #143
Bakary wrote: post #112

Some ideas on this topic: 1. Inconvenience based solutions don't address the problem: using apps to restrict phone use, physically hiding the phone etc. Once you leave those carefully constrained conditions, you are more vulnerable than ever. Not to mention the contradiction with the core issue that it's a symptom rather than a cause. 2. Turning abstinence as an ongoing status condition (e.g. "X days since I did Y")…

I definitely have a browsing addiction. Learning things as an information junkie is addictive. What’s funny is that when I go for trips in the mountains with little to no internet I do fine. It is less like a chemical addiction and more like a habitual craving. If I have more interesting things to do I will not browse. If I’m bored though...

>Learning things

Ha ha! That is a VERY generous way to describe it.

I think of it as licking my balls. I think that's more realistic.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by d3nj4l »

jariel wrote: post #233
Bakary wrote: post #112

Some ideas on this topic: 1. Inconvenience based solutions don't address the problem: using apps to restrict phone use, physically hiding the phone etc. Once you leave those carefully constrained conditions, you are more vulnerable than ever. Not to mention the contradiction with the core issue that it's a symptom rather than a cause. 2. Turning abstinence as an ongoing status condition (e.g. "X days since I did Y")…

Do you remember life before the Internet? Because it reads as though maybe you don't remember. It's not that big of a deal, just put it away. You need your phone far less than you think you do, just put it away for some occasions, maybe don't take to lunch (or to work). Being 'homebound' is a great excuse to get rid of it: other than SMS, everything else can be had via the web, and the notebook form factor is not nea…

You’re missing GP’s point. The idea isn’t that you can’t live without phones - it’s that going cold turkey abstinence isn’t a good way to kick a compulsion.
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