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The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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Does it make sense for the KVM to be integrated with the monitor, or separate? I’ve been thinking a bit about a setup like this, but there are enough gotchas to prevent me from making a decision.

Good KVMs are very expensive. I've used monitors with multiple inputs and a separate passive USB switch.

Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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One thing to notice is that 1440p at 27" (one main criteria set by the author) is ideal for non-Retina macOS UI. For Retina UI, stick to 5k at 27" or 4k at 21.5" (or, look for a DPI of around 218 PPI).

> 4k at 21.5"

Does that exist? I have never seek a 4k (or better) display smaller than 24", and I'd love to buy one.

Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using the cheaper ($1,000) but very similar LG 38WK95C for around a year. I have it attached to a Mac (via USB-C) and a PC (via DisplayPort) and the only drawback I've found is that when you switch inputs it "disconnects" the other input so the Mac thinks the monitor has been unplugged; my previous monitor did not do this.

That monitor doesn't have upstream USB-B. How do you connect your keyboard & mouse?

Through a passive USB switch.

Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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post #49

Earlier in the year I was searching for a monitor that I could use to switch between my work-supplied MacBook 16 and my gaming PC (Nvidia 1080-based). I decided to go with the Acer XV273K (27", 4K, 120Hz). This monitor has some things that make it a nice thing to share. It has 2 DisplayPorts and 2 HDMI connections for lots of connectivity. I am currently using the 2 DP connections, one for MacBook, one for PC. The PC…

Would you not prefer to have USB-C integrated into the monitor?

I would have preferred that, but it wasn't a deal breaker. I ruled out an Apple LG 5K because it wouldn't have been able to connect with my PCs 1080 (I assume?) Also, my 1080 cannot really even handle 4K gaming, so I didn't see much point.

The MacBook has been perma-attached to the monitor due to the pandemic, so plugging power in via a different port on the MB was fine.

Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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post #37

IMO, the best MacBook monitor is the LG 38WN95CW ultrawide monitor [1]. Pros: * Larger 38" screen * 90w charging * Thunderbolt 3 (like USB-C but better) * 144hz refresh rate * 1ms response rate And current generation MacBooks only support one external monitor, so two 27" 1440p monitors should not be recommended. And there are methods to having more monitors, but they require additional hardware and do not always work…

> current generation MacBooks only support one external monitor

My monitor supports Thunderbolt 3 daisy chaining - Connecting a thunderbolt 3 upstream port to the input of the 2nd monitor. Do you know if two monitors setup this way would work with a MacBook?

Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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post #65
post #37

IMO, the best MacBook monitor is the LG 38WN95CW ultrawide monitor [1]. Pros: * Larger 38" screen * 90w charging * Thunderbolt 3 (like USB-C but better) * 144hz refresh rate * 1ms response rate And current generation MacBooks only support one external monitor, so two 27" 1440p monitors should not be recommended. And there are methods to having more monitors, but they require additional hardware and do not always work…

> current generation MacBooks only support one external monitor My monitor supports Thunderbolt 3 daisy chaining - Connecting a thunderbolt 3 upstream port to the input of the 2nd monitor. Do you know if two monitors setup this way would work with a MacBook?

It does not [1].

[1] https://apple.stackexchange.com/a/406865

Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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I used a 27@1440[1] for years, and for a long time I thought it was the perfect size and resolution for me (and of course I love HiDPI, a 27@2880 would be great too; but I actually prefer to keep a low DPI screen for web/visual work so I can see what a lot of the world sees). On a lark, last year I bought a 42.5@2160 (4k)[2], with the intention of using it primarily for tv/movies at that size, not knowing whether it…

42@4k having the same DPI as 27@1440 sounds incredible. I hope they release a version with upstream USB-B because I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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post #7
post #3

I ended up getting a KVM in the middle - it’s more cables but I have a 144Hz gsync screen and I can easily swap kB+m+screen with a dedicated, hardware button

Note for anyone considering this setup, the vast majority of KVM switches won't pass through GSync/Freesync Level1Techs sells a few KVMs that can do it but they're not cheap

Do you own one of these? I've been following some of their latest hardware announcements but know nothing about how good they are.

Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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post #40
post #34

I'm unsure about the advice of sticking to 1440p at 27". I have a non-retina imac 27 (1440p), external LG 27" 4K USB-C monitor and a macbook pro 13 with a real "retina", and use them all regularly. For my eyes, scaling works fine with 4K - font rendering is significantly better than on 1440p imac. 13" screen on macbook pro is even better, and 5K 27" would be perfect, but that's a different price point. I'm quite happ…

Here's [1] an article on why 1440p at 27" might be better. [1] https://bjango.com/articles/macexternaldisplays/

I’m pretty sure the parent knows that MacOS doesn’t support “true retina” at 4K 27” (at a reasonable size). The way MacOS handles resolution (that’s not perfect 1x or 2x scaling) is by rendering at twice the resolution you selected in settings and then downscaling to the true resolution of the monitor. So if you want to render at 1440p you render at 5k then downscale to 4K. What I believe the parent was trying to get across is that 5k downscaled to 4K looks better than true 1440p. Although it does tax the GPU more, many people would agree it’s worth it over 1440p.

Re: The Ultimate MacBook+PC Monitor Showdown

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's [1] an article on why 1440p at 27" might be better. [1] https://bjango.com/articles/macexternaldisplays/

I’m pretty sure the parent knows that MacOS doesn’t support “true retina” at 4K 27” (at a reasonable size). The way MacOS handles resolution (that’s not perfect 1x or 2x scaling) is by rendering at twice the resolution you selected in settings and then downscaling to the true resolution of the monitor. So if you want to render at 1440p you render at 5k then downscale to 4K. What I believe the parent was trying to get…

In macOS there are side effects of scaling though, notably "blurry pixels," "shimmering," and increased GPU usage.
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