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My Experience at Apple

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Re: My Experience at Apple

#611
i worked at a company similar to apple. we had an employee that actually was terrible and not competent in the simplest things. but from their perspective it may have seemed like what the article laid out

on the other hand, i see alot of people agreeing that apple is terrible. so in these situations it really is he-said she-said

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#612

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The fact that income inequality goes up every year says you're wrong about point 2.

That doesn't follow in a growing economy, even a very simple two-person one where person 1 picks bananas by hand and person 2 builds a faster banana picker every year. No exploitation there.

Who is buying all the bananas?

Re: My Experience at Apple

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> Being an early retail employee in the Bay Area, we had very close ties to Cupertino. I worked when Steve was still alive. Steve Jobs actually interacted with retail underlings?!

Can we please not call people who work in retail “underlings”?

It seems like perfectly good English to me. Please let's not micromanage each other's language.

(I don't think the OP implied any particular interaction with Steve Jobs, but that's a separate issue.)

Re: My Experience at Apple

#614
The real story here is that the author depended upon these jerks for his/her work visa, facing deportation back to (I assume) a less pleasant country. It sounds like everyone involved took advantage of that fact. Perhaps systemically.

I've faced similarly abusive workplace cliques on multiple occasions. They're very easy to bust if you're willing to put aside your personal shame. But I never had a visa hanging over my head during these confrontations.

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Can we please not call people who work in retail “underlings”?

Calm down, Karen.

Hey, this kind of post will get you banned here because we're trying for something different than internet default. Would you mind reading https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and using HN in the intended spirit?

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I know more than one famous scientist who does this. Multiple postdocs working on the same project. Whomever gets there first gets a Cell-Science-Nature paper. The other(s) get nothing. Probably a very common abusive management style at high levels in many industries.

The personal/political aspect aside, I can think of multiple projects that could have benefited from an approach like this. I'm often astonished by the inefficiency of project delivery, particularly in large companies. Teams spending months building sub-systems from scratch, where there is an off the shelf(sometimes open source) tool that will do the same job and better. Man years of work going into chasing trends li…

Interesting theory. If you pay 2 teams A and B to work on the same project, and B finishes in half the time it would have taken A, you really didn't spend anything extra did you?

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Steve Jobs died from being a jerk, to himself, because he refused to take his doctor's advice about his diet and pancreatic cancer. A reality distortion field only works so long.

What was his diet?

The exact diet doesn't matter, what mattered is that he believed changing his diet would cure his cancer. In the end of course it didn't.

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#618

My brief advice to anyone writing such a post: start with the most serious accusation you have, and avoid the temptation to add ancillary grievances, however justified, until you have the reader fully engaged and outraged. The way this post structured now, beginning with fairly unspecific complaints about the hiring process, who invited whom to lunch, etc. makes the author come across as a young high-drama individual…

I stopped reading when it became obvious that this was some coddled kid’s first exposure to real life. When I see words like “psychological safety”, that sounds straight out of the playbook with the Brown University “safe spaces” crap. Maybe they were saving their real bombs for the end. I’ll never know, but they are probably going to have a very difficult time adjusting to any job.

Re: My Experience at Apple

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"Unfortunately, Apple became the place that I lost feeling of physical and psychological safety and the terror that it inflicted on me has impacted me on such a core level that the painful memories and flashbacks have replaced my dreams and they will hunt me until I am alive."

I really don't understand this. I'm not saying this from a perspective that they are wrong, but that I honestly don't get it, please help me understand it. My response is about ambition related stress.

I've had experiences in war torn countries and seen those that are drastically less fortunate than the author. For the author to say that they have terror and flashbacks that will hunt them.... is this just a perspective thing? The author mentions twice he had been in a war related country.

Is it a self imposed stress to do well that is greater than the stress that those in poverty and war stricken countries deal with? Is it all relative? I feel like there is real stress involved with ambition from reading this.

I mean this honestly, I read this post and feel this is a first world problem post. What am I missing?

Re: My Experience at Apple

#620

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I'm not an immigrant, so I don't have your perspective. But I wonder the same about H1B's: I don't understand the allure of the United States (besides the money?). Our industry is horrible to its H1B's, H1B exploitation is rampant and disgusting. FAANG hires them so that they can exploit them as cheap labor that can't risk leaving. Why not move somewhere else if you want to work abroad? I can think of so many better…

I am an immigrant who got a GC via the H1B route, so I'll give some perspective. I work at one big company, and have heard from those at FAANG. It depends on how you define H1B abuse. Most of the H1-B abuse I'm aware of are either from small companies, or companies like Infosys, etc where they really exploit the whole system. Most of the major companies (Microsoft, FAANG, etc) do not have systematic abuse, beyond per…

> The "pipeline" is also easy in the US. Come here for a MS degree, and get hired. For many other countries, it's not that easy. Some allow you to immigrate due to your advanced degree, but with no guarantee of work, so you need to have plenty of money saved while you look for work - something many cannot afford.

I have to disagree with this as an Iranian working in Germany who moved with an offer on a Blue Card.

After getting an offer, getting visa was 1 week, I started working immediately, have changed job with only bureaucracy being involved is a small email to the Foreigners employment Office(LABO) to confirm my new contract looks good.

I think people have an unfair view of state of immigration in EU.

Regarding your other point about racism, that experience is not representative of the whole of EU. I am biased as I live in Berlin but I think you are also biased (probably) if you live in the multi cultural centers of US(SV/LA/NYC/Seattle etc.).

I have not had any horrible racism experience neither my friends whom I discuss these things regularly. I am sure if I lived in a small town/city, I will get racism behavior regularly, independent of EU, USA, Canada etc.

To clarify: Took 1 week from Turkey where I was living then, from Iran would have been longer due to German Embassy inadequate staffing, etc.

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