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Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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GE used to be a marker for reasonable quality but over the past couple of decades they've licensed their name for all kinds of crappy consumer products.

The GE consumer product business was sold to a Chinese company quite a while ago, and I believe the brand was put on a lot of poor quality and poorly designed products, but I have the impression they have substantially turned around the quality, based on consumer reports and other hearsay. I got a GE washer and dryer based on this belief (and they were the only ones that would fit) and so far, so good, after about a…

That would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haier , which has an interesting history, but are now into that connected smart home stuff which I abhor.

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I myself am convinced that brand recognition is on borrowed time - that is, recognition of old brands may still work as useful filter, but new quality brands will be near-impossible to establish. The reason for that: we're being DDoSed with brands on e-commerce sites. For an increasing amount of product categories, you're going to find 10+ "brands" on Amazon that are selling the same white-label garbage class product…

What you describe is a digital version of white van speaker scam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam while person you are replying to means old established brands, like Sony or Philips. You can pick up cheapest Philips hair trimmer and be sure of decent quality, but picking even something looking upmarket, but coming from one of the made up Amazon brands is almost a guarantee in chinesium shock. $300…

TIL Chinesium Shock. A good entry into a new year full of cyberskun...err punk :-)

Btw. Moulinex isn't what it once was anymore. Just sayin'.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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There's a somewhat pervasive idea that advertising and brand recognition are coercive tools that will ultimately die out, replaced by better objective information about products. I'm kind of partial to this idea myself. But increasingly we seem a long way from achieving this. Amazon reviews have become such garbage, I've fallen back to pretty much relying on name brands as my placeholder for product quality. There's…

I myself am convinced that brand recognition is on borrowed time - that is, recognition of old brands may still work as useful filter, but new quality brands will be near-impossible to establish. The reason for that: we're being DDoSed with brands on e-commerce sites. For an increasing amount of product categories, you're going to find 10+ "brands" on Amazon that are selling the same white-label garbage class product…

What makes you think the old, established brands are what they once were? Many of them are just a label put onto something entirely different, meanwhile being bought by another entity, produced in less quality/durability.

Maybe not as extreme as the "Chinesium Shockers" which I learned about in this thread, but the tendency is there.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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> recognition of old brands may still work as useful filter Not for long. How many dependable long-lived brands have been mopped up by hedge funds and private equity and subsequently slapped on the cheapest crap you can make? Remember when Craftsman tools used to be top notch?

Right. Also the regular "optimization" (i.e. of costs, not value). For example, Miele was a decent brand of white-label goods, but I've read numerous commenters here claiming that they're succumbing to plasticpartisis and their products aren't as reliable as before. I also vaguely recall hearing that Anker isn't what it used to be. (Then there are brands spanning great many product categories - like Phillips. I'm hav…

For washing appliances there is Miele Professional. But entry was about 5000 to 6000EUR when I last looked. It may depend. From time to time I use them in washing saloons when I have larger batches of dirty (sports) clothing or blankets, bed linen(other "sports", don't ask).

Anyways, very easy to use, fast, and looking indestructible, while the washing drums look space age from the inside(materials wise, and the shape/structuring of it).

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Brands aren't perfect either. For example Volvo had a reputation for making great safe cars. The brand is now owned by a company with a reputation for making cars that disintegrate and obliterate the occupants in crash tests. The same is true of Arc'teryx, Jaguar, and many other well known brands that have been sold off to companies with terrible reputations for quality. Ultimately the only way to guarantee quality w…

> Ultimately the only way to guarantee quality would be to vote for politicians who support strong regulations and a strong regulatory apparatus. Speaking as a socialist-leaning libertarian, I'mma have to take a hard disagree on this. Let the companies have a mix of terrible quality and great quality as they wish, and let the market itself decide which products and companies succeed or fail Let a private company, say…

Now append some eco to your leanings and see that this sort of free market experimentation isn't sustainable, if you don't want to end under the great garbage avalanche like in the movie "Idiocracy". Or be filled with microplastics, which contain endocrine disruptors, which are not good for anyone/thing.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Bait-and-switch doesn't matter if Amazon doesn't care about fake and paid-for reviews. I was looking for dashcams and came across this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/iiwey-Channels-included-Dashboard-D... 91% 5-star reviews, a lot of the reviews are from "Top XXX reviewer", and almost every one seems to be reading off a script. If you check out all the profiles of these "Top XX" reviewers, they all seem to be non-stop pur…

Should have asked some Russians, they know all about dashcams because they are ubiquitios there for insurance reasons.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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There's a somewhat pervasive idea that advertising and brand recognition are coercive tools that will ultimately die out, replaced by better objective information about products. I'm kind of partial to this idea myself. But increasingly we seem a long way from achieving this. Amazon reviews have become such garbage, I've fallen back to pretty much relying on name brands as my placeholder for product quality. There's…

100% agree. I’d also add that people love to trash brands that produce substandard producers. Negative word of mouth spreads easier for more recognizable brands, and the company’s need to protect their reputation provides a level of assurance that doesn’t exist for anonymous producers.

I disagree partially. Depending on the size of the corporation holding the brand, and thus available capital, it may be chump change for white/greenwashing via advertisement campaigns, cross media product placement, lawsuits, and employing whole armies of "reputation management* trolls...err professionals flooding any site with positive comments, burying anything else.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Skip the Amazon resellers and order direct from China on Alibaba. Their reputation system is less spammy than Amazon's. One of my areas to watch: solid state relays. Here we have yet another fake Fotek solid state relay on Amazon.[1] Note the "Made in China". Here's the real thing.[2] Note the "Taiwan made" from the real Fotek. Costs a lot more. That's because it will actually handle the rated current. The fakes are…

There are many times where I get going on a project and need to get some part (nobody in a 50mi radius supplies electronics unfortunately). I like to keep my momentum going, so I order from amazon because some of those resellers stock locally, and thus I get the product in 1-2 days. Contrast to China/AliExpress, where it may take them 3-4 weeks for the product to reach me. At that point, my interest may have fizzled…

Uhm, many sellers on Aliexpress offer Airmail too, you know? Not even exorbitantly expensive, per batch, not per part. Pre-Covid I ordered some light things, during my late night, and the day after tomorrow it arrived at my door via DHL. That was unexpected. Was about 35EUR for the premium. Didn't really matter, because equivalent parts from elsewhere would have been about 300EUR more.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Bait-and-switch doesn't matter if Amazon doesn't care about fake and paid-for reviews. I was looking for dashcams and came across this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/iiwey-Channels-included-Dashboard-D... 91% 5-star reviews, a lot of the reviews are from "Top XXX reviewer", and almost every one seems to be reading off a script. If you check out all the profiles of these "Top XX" reviewers, they all seem to be non-stop pur…

Growth! More growth pleases shareholders and the board. Nothing else matters.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Many crappy products I've bought literally have a business card inside the package where they offer you a $5 giftcard for leaving them a 5 star review. You have to send them a screenshot of the 5 star review.

If Amazon wanted to they could stop this tomorrow. All they have to do is post on their website "If any vendor offers you money to leave a good review, send us a photo of the offer. We'll check it out, and if it's real we'll pay you double what the vendor offered and then ban that vendor from Amazon."

Less volume, less growth, so not good on paper...err shareholders charts.
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