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Sadly, you can fill in the blank with any FAANG company with this story. I’ve heard it a thousand times. Toxic management. Sorry you went through that, sorry that was your first taste of engineering out of college. Glad you stuck with it. It’s a tough spot to be. Do you roll over and do the job your being yelled at to do even though you know any concessions are BS? Or like the senior folks, do you walk? It’s a really…
Honestly, at Microsoft, I've never seen a situation like this, and I have worked in something like 15 roles now. That might also be, for better and worse, why Microsoft folks have such long tenure at the company. Its honestly a great place to work compared to these shit shows.
My Experience at Apple
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Good lawyers won't take cases that don't appear winnable from the start. Very false. Generally, the difference between a good lawyer and a bad lawyer is that the good lawyer will counsel the client about the chances of not winning the case, especially after discovery has concluded, while a bad lawyer won't. If the the winnability of a case was apparent at the start, there wouldn't be a case as the parties would settl…
The point was that good lawyers won't take blatantly unwinnable cases. At some point or another, a lawyer must start putting their name on the line for the cases they take. If a client arrives without a shred of usable evidence or a blatantly unbelievable story (happens frequently) then a good lawyer is not going to throw their reputation on the line to see if it pans out. The legal world isn't as big as you might th…
You're talking to a lawyer who used to do litigation. The legal world is a lot bigger than you think it is. My friends that still do litigation have never come up against the same lawyers twice in their careers. But we practice in a big city. If you're in Hoboken or Fargo, your experiences will obviously differ.
Taking obviously unwinnable cases is a quick way to get yourself branded as a toxic lawyer.
You're assessing cases as "unwillable" before actually knowing if they are winnable. There are very few cases that are "obviously unwillable" at the onset and with extremely rare exceptions, that "obvious" part is due to procedural defects in the case, like an expiring statute of limitation that precludes a lawsuit. And in those cases, if your client wants to keep fighting after being advised that the case is procedurally unwinnable, you pursue all appropriate legal avenues still available to your client (or even ones that are now precluded but could be granted at judicial discretion), because that is precisely what lawyers are paid to do, and other lawyers understand that and do not hold that against them.
Moreover, no case is "obviously unwinnable" on the factual merits before discovery. Hell, it's even possible to take a case that is "obviously unwinnable" after discovery and still win (and indeed, I got my first trial one month after the bar exam because my boss thought the case was "unwinnable" but would be good for experience. That client is walking around free right now because I won an "unwinnable" case.)
As for "toxic reputation", your behavior in court and in dealings is what gets you branded as toxic, not the cases you take, and that is true whether or not your cases are winnable.
Re: My Experience at Apple
#463I think Apple, like several other notable tech companies, has a ton of great developers and engineers, and a lot of really bad managers (and a few good ones.) As in most tech companies, employees have no power vs. management, and HR exists to protect the company from liability. (And good luck keeping your job if you try to, say, organize a union.) A bummer about Apple as well is that because it is such a popular comp…
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If something goes catastrophically wrong at 1am, caused by some unforeseen bug in the code, who fixes it? Who diagnoses that an issue flooding the logs is not an issue with your software but something else down the line? I think it makes sense to have an on-call rota. Some people do it for a week or so. Cycle it through the team. There needs to be someone knowledgeable to call in case of issues.
We fix it when we see it's broken, which isn't going to happen at 1am local time. If we have a distributed team the odds are better it gets fixed sooner. The world keeps spinning and there's always another bug to fix, it's not worth losing literal sleep over. > There needs to be someone knowledgeable to call in case of issues "Thank you for calling. Our normal business hours are ..." works for the rest of the busines…
Lots of products need uptime guarantees.
Re: My Experience at Apple
#465Posting anonymously for obvious reasons. Unlike others, I actually find this story fairly believable. When I first joined Apple, straight out of college - a good program, top three in the country - I was abused similarly. I joined a team that was on a project behind schedule. Our manager was a brusque, no-nonsense sort of dude. But he clearly had anger problems. On the team were 2 senior engineers, me, and a junior e…
Haven't seen cocaine mentioned anywhere, and I know for a fact it was a bit of a thing there back in the day.
Re: My Experience at Apple
#466In such situations always gather evidence and hire a lawyer. HR are there to protect the interest of the company, you need someone that you employ to protect your interest.
Lawyer? Isn't the most effective thing just to quit and look for another job. Maybe you can milk some money out of the company with a lawyer, but you are going to pay mentally by investing your brain to that issue. It is better to focus elsewhere.
The purpose of the lawyer is so that you don't have to invest your brain in that issue. Your lawyer can deal with the intricacies of court procedures and employment law while you move on with your life.
There may also be a moral duty of injured employees to sue their employer because corporate behavior won't change if they don't. Letting the company get away with it is like letting a rapist or child molester get away with it. There will almost certainly be future victims so if someone can put a stop to it, they should.
Re: My Experience at Apple
#467Things new engineers don't know, but should: 1. HR doesn't work for you; they work to minimize liability for the company. If HR thinks the best way to accomplish that is to destroy your life, that's exactly what they will do. 2. Many SV companies, as well as groups within large, respected SV companies, only survive through exploitation. They exploit their customers, their workforce, or both. Exploitation means obtain…
I remember my SO working for a German bank. It was exactly as you describe. She was in a back-office job. She always said she was an overpaid perl script 95% of the time and interesting work for the rest. Exploitation is common in many companies. For me this stems from information asymmetry. Employer knows the job market, knows the salary spread, knows all internal salaries. As an employee you do not have these insig…
Re: My Experience at Apple
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Have you paid attention to the behavior of USCIS employees over the last 4 years, notably towards people with backgrounds in predominantly Muslim countries (as the author of TFA appears to be)? It's not so much that you're wrong, more that it doesn't matter that you're right.
An employer-employee dispute will usually be litigated in either a state court or a US District Court (Article III court). USCIS, a federal Article II agency, has no influence over either court.
And then there's the bigger picture: living in a country knowing that the only legal basis for your presence here is a visa tied to you being employed by your current employer, and now considering whether or not to launch legal action against that employer.
p.s. I'm a former H1B immigrant, Green Card holder, and now US Citizen.
Re: My Experience at Apple
#469The way this post structured now, beginning with fairly unspecific complaints about the hiring process, who invited whom to lunch, etc. makes the author come across as a young high-drama individual even though it ramps up to more serious matters.
Remember you only have a couple of paragraphs to set the hook and get the reader on your side in a piece like this. Not even your SO or mom want to read the full wall of text about how you were mistreated, let alone internet strangers.
Re: My Experience at Apple
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The internal culture was influenced by Steve Jobs. He was widely known for being an asshole who also happened to be an excellent salesman with a really good design sense. That's Apple.
That isn't really true. Steve Jobs was no nonsense, but was most often merely direct rather than rude. One thing which Steve Jobs did do was go to great length to assemble highly qualified teams for missions that were clearly stated and understood and which all involved agreed were worthwhile even if there might be quibbles over details. The Apple that rescued itself from near death with colorful and fun designs and…