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My Experience at Apple

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Re: My Experience at Apple

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It’s a long, rambling post with some fairly vague and difficult to falsify accusations. I have no connections to Apple (other than as a consumer), but I could not wade through the article enough to determine if I thought there was an actual smoking gun. I suspect the story would be much more powerful if it were 1/5 as long and stuck to the material facts.

Yeah, I wanted to read it more carefully but it seemed to be a long litany of real or perceived psychological abuse. Maybe I too missed a smoking gun. What I read described an Apple that is completely alien to me. I have never seen or even heard of anything even remotely like this team or the behavior described.

Well, that's the basis of their article. They're trying to tell you an "inside story", that's the hook of the whole thing.

Re: My Experience at Apple

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't found much of a correlation between company culture and the quality of products they ship.

So you can have the experiences as described in the article across all areas of the company with everyone staying in line and still doing their 'best work'?

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Re: My Experience at Apple

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Honestly, I want to believe anything we get out of companies and people's experiences, but this really feels... off. Maybe it's the writing, but it _feels_ like an Apple hater who never worked at the company wrote a false exposé just for the sake of it.

Re: My Experience at Apple

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This sounds surreal. If that is true, this person had to deal with horrible things at work:

- “You are a skinny kid with no experience. Nobody cares about what you do. Just put your head down, shut your mouth or get yourself fired”.

- “You escaped a war zone; it is obvious you have many mental problems. ”

- “Just leave Apple before they kick you out. This is exactly what happened to the previous guy we fired.”

- “My husband worked for FBI and I can get you deported on a cargo boat if I want.”

- “How much do you drink? Do you do drugs?”

Re: My Experience at Apple

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post #5

It’s a long, rambling post with some fairly vague and difficult to falsify accusations. I have no connections to Apple (other than as a consumer), but I could not wade through the article enough to determine if I thought there was an actual smoking gun. I suspect the story would be much more powerful if it were 1/5 as long and stuck to the material facts.

Are you expecting them to name real names and give specific enough details where they're then identifiable?

Re: My Experience at Apple

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If this is true, I am sure it's not reflective of the entire company as otherwise they won't be shipping these great products.

For big companies like FANG culture can be very team dependent. There are great teams and awful teams.

Re: My Experience at Apple

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Honestly why do people think that cannot happen at Apple ? That kind of thing can happen in any company. Apple is thousands of employees, it only requires a few bad people to create a situation like that.

I'm not sure though, creating a post like that is the best thing. I don't know what exists in the US, but in France, you can sue your employer for free (You don't even need a lawyer), and if you are able to show a few emails showing abuse, there is like almost 100% chance the company will loose

EDIT: To the people who downvote me, seriously why ?

Re: My Experience at Apple

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In such situations always gather evidence and hire a lawyer. HR are there to protect the interest of the company, you need someone that you employ to protect your interest.

Re: My Experience at Apple

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This is really sad and I can't imagine going through that. I think we've also heard time and time again that HR is not out to protect you but rather the company. I understand that this is this person's first job but they should have understood that this is not normal behavior. You should always put your (mental) health first and seek other forms of employment, even if you are on a visa, if this type of abuse is occurring.

Re: My Experience at Apple

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No way to say if this is a legit story, but I have seen this kind of thing at Intel, a subsidiary of comScore and a subsidiary of Siemens.

Toxic workplaces exist, and toxic teams within divisions exist.

When I saw this stuff, I was too young and inexperienced to recognize bad behavior and recognize my own power to go fish for something else. I did not have immigration issues to think about though, which adds a whole other dimension to getting stuck in something like this.

One time I saw this guy in the company softball league charge the pitcher over whether a pitch was a strike or a ball. It was absolutely not okay and the senior manager in the division said the guy was a "teddy bear" and "had kids" and that I needed to drop it.

I learned later that he was a major producer in sales engineering for the company's leading product.

Sometimes you get unlucky and are placed in a group like this. Powerful engineers probably have more control during the interview stage, and some companies can be good at getting rid of bad behavior. However results and loyalty can outweigh bad behavior.

Something that people should think about is their ability to manage emotional barriers. This isn't something I was taught growing up, but I hope young people are more familiar about asserting these today.

If people take advantage of you in your personal life, and you have the bad luck of being placed into a workplace with predatory personalities, they will take advantage of you there. Since that is your livelihood, it can be scary.

I'd advise people who experience toxic workplaces or think that they are in them to consider whether they themselves are lacking in the ability to assert their own boundaries and act on those assertions when they are broken repeatedly.

If you are not able to do this, use your health insurance to seek professional help because you'll need this ability in professional and personal environments for the rest of your life. Better to learn about yourself now than later.

If you don't have health insurance, there are communities on reddit and elsewhere that support people dealing with emotional abuse. Which is basically what this stuff is. You can learn a lot by reading and anonymously participating in these communities.

If at all possible get professional help even if it means cash out of pocket, because your mental health is among the most valuable investments you can make.

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