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EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Yeah but that's ARM IP though. How does this matter? Do you think ARM won't license their IP to European chip makers?
Are ARM still Japanese? I think there’s a pretty solid trade agreement between the EU and Japan ...
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#165EU has the tech. ASML is #2 company in EURO STOXX 50 index with 5.69% weight. ASML is the world's largest photolithography systems manufacturer and the only one producing extreme ultraviolet lithography machines. These EUV scanners are expensive as hell. Last years model costs $120 million per piece and you need 10-15 of them for TSMC gigafactory. TWINSCAN NXE:3400C (7 and 5 nm nodes, >170 wafers per hour) is probabl…
ASML is impressive for sure, but having the litho doesn't mean you can make good chips. As a mediocre analogy, you don't expect to be able to write good novels because you got your hands on a printer. I think much of the relevant general-purpose chip design knowledge we had (ARM) left the EU this morning. I don't yet see any other chip company (eg NXP etc) suddenly be the next Intel or AMD yet (let alone the next App…
RISC-V Foundation just moved[1] from the USA to Switzerland in late 2019 due to geopolitical concerns.
Also, the European Union is heavily betting on the RISC-V for its future hyperscale HPC systems[2][3][4].
I would believe that next-gen European CPU budget declaration is part of this dynamic. And I really hope it will work out.
[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-semiconductors-...
[2] https://www.european-processor-initiative.eu/project/epi/
[3] https://www.mdpi.com/2297-8747/25/3/46/pdf (PDF)
[4] https://www.nextplatform.com/2019/06/10/europes-homegrown-hp...
Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology
#166ITT bashing on EU without understanding it I believe the 17 signing nations are allowed to inject money into their own economy. Even if the goals are a bit unrealistic. EDIT The 2-3 years is when the funds are allocated. Not when the results are expected.
There is a missing bit of perapective: many EU startups rely on grants for bootstrapping because investors here are a lot more risk averse here. They commonly let folks get their startup to an MVP and become investable.
The other factor is that they come in waves: there could be many grants for your startup for a few years, then government focus shifts and they dry up, then 5 years later they might come again
Aquiring the grants and completing the required paperwork feels a lot like doing schoolwork - it's tedious, but certainly doable, I have won 2 grants a few years back for my startup, its not like you have to be a big corp to stand a chance.
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#167ITT bashing on EU without understanding it I believe the 17 signing nations are allowed to inject money into their own economy. Even if the goals are a bit unrealistic. EDIT The 2-3 years is when the funds are allocated. Not when the results are expected.
Still, I think the 2-3 years is too short. I believe if you put in a lot of money into something it needs a bit of time, otherwise every participant will just do whatever they normally do, just more of it.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep, this cannot be repeated enough. Government funding is how a lot of innovations happen, but it's not as visible as a private company bringing that innovation to market. To put in optimization terms, private companies are good at following the gradient. Government funding is necessary to escape the well and find new minimas.
Government funding is extremely wasteful and will generally go into the pockets of the well connected. The problem is this game has been played for a long time and it has diminishing returns. The players have had decades to get the exploitation down. Yes sillicon valley exists because of government money. But that was like 70 years ago. The world has changed and corruption is more severe. You will get no such bang fo…
Remind me how is that WeWork and Theranos investment going?
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's how we got to the current cutting edge. Research of most important technological inventions of the past century was funded by beaurocrats. Market is only good at figuring out how to make things cheaper and in volume. Both very important things. But true scientific breakthroughs that push the business over next decades happen on taxpayers bill as distributed by beaurocrats. It sucks a bit that it's this way but…
Then by your own definition, and the statement issued by the EU commission, this is a bad investment. I've worked for the large, sclerotic organisations that once put man on the moon. They will take your 100bn, crush it in to dust, and outsource the production of 1 million pages of documentation in 32 languages detailing the workings of something your never asked for. All in the blink of an eye.
Yes. It's bad investment for the one who pays. Possibly great for everybody else and humanity in general.
If efficiency is your thing go into business. The smaller the better. But if you want to have a chance at literal moonshot stay in your job and swallow inefficiencies that come from size, ample capital, and no expectation of monetary profit.
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#170It’s almost become normal now that bureaucrats get to decide which social group to spend money on, or which region to renovate buildings in, but the arrogance of thinking you can spend your way to the most cutting edge of current technology is just the next level of bureaucratic arrogance.
“bureaucratic arrogance” is a great name to define the EU. I’ll borrow it.