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Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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I am a huge fan of FM synthesis popularized by the DX7, but the DX7 is only one of many highly influential synthesizers, and FM is only one of many influential synthesis approaches including modular, subtractive, additive, sampling, wavetable, hybrid, phase distortion and various forms of wave shaping, physical modeling, and others. I would rank many other developments such as modular synthesis (e.g. Moog - think Swi…

IMO the DX7 sound was kind of a fad and a dead-end in terms of evolution and influence. Both the sound and the music it contributed to are relegated to nostalgia those days. Its popularity in the synth world was quickly eclipsed by Roland-303s and Korg M1s after some mere 5 or 6 years of production. People were very keen to move to anything else and it sorta gave FM a bad rap for a while... Also, Synths like Prophet…

> Maybe there will be a DX7 revival but I'm not really holding my breath.

That reminds me of one of the very unique controllers for the DX7 - the breath control apparatus, that ended up immortalized as Midi Control Change 2.

It was intended to make horn sounds more realistic and organic. It never ended up being widely used. I still have one for my DX7, but also never got to like it.

Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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The DX7 is also the reason people flooded the market with all their classic analog synthesizer. These days, while a DX7 is about $800 Australian, an OG Jupiter 8 will set you back $30K AUD

It's 800 now? I remember seeing them in the early 2000s for about 200 USD in used music stores and pawn shops, and even then people thought that was expensive since everyone were starting to hype analog stuff and had some disdain for them!

Hehe... there’s one on Gumtree for $580 AUD!

But at the time, you couldn’t give away Prophet 5s! If only I had a time machine

Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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I think the TR-808 is the only one that might qualify. Although there are loads of synthesizers that were extremely influential in the industry and are immediately recognizable to hardcore synth fans (M1, D-50, Prophet 5, TB-303, Minimoog etc), I doubt there are many that the average listener would consider to be "distinctive". This is what makes the TR-808 special, I think, even though there are lots of other drum m…

> I think the TR-808 is the only one that might qualify. Only? No way! :D The Roland TR-909 is also extremely popular and was considered the sound of techno and house even after the TR-808 started to fade outside hip-hop. In the mid-90s it was one of the first drum machines to start being cloned by new manufacturers due to the demand. The bass drum is still used as the foundation for a lot of EDM. It never went away.…

Agree with you on the 909 and especially the 303, the synth that birthed the acid genre and is still in use to create new music, check out Tin Man Neo Neo Acid. Hard disagree on Plastikman being a musicians musician though. He was beyond huge in the 90ies, saw a guy with a Plastikman tattoo covering his whole back. Richie Hawtin went on to become one of the top DJs in the world. One year he played on four new years eve parties, travelling by private plane.

Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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Computers still can’t handle the style of complex analog FM synthesis that people do with “eurorack” style modular synthesizers. You can approach it with software like https://vcvrack.com , but it will start to stutter out quickly even on a fast computer, and introduces artifacts if you are modulating with high frequencies.

Well, VCV rack is far from the definitive solution here. There are commercial alternatives like Reaktor which are much more powerful. Reaktor is powerful to a fault, you might say, but if you are running into limitations with VCV Rack then something like Reaktor is the obvious upgrade. As an analogy, if VCV Rack is like a Unix shell that lets you pipe programs, then Reaktor is like a C compiler.

Or Bitwig where you can integrate your physical Eurorack modules or other voltage controlled analog synths and build any synth or effects unit you want from small building blocks with Grid.

Bitwig Sound Design And Hardware Integration Workshop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=125sfyebk1o

FM v PM: TRUE Frequency Modulation (linear) in Bitwig’s Grid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIwwgM3m3uc

Disclaimer: not affiliated

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Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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> I think the TR-808 is the only one that might qualify. Only? No way! :D The Roland TR-909 is also extremely popular and was considered the sound of techno and house even after the TR-808 started to fade outside hip-hop. In the mid-90s it was one of the first drum machines to start being cloned by new manufacturers due to the demand. The bass drum is still used as the foundation for a lot of EDM. It never went away.…

I think this is where the conversation starts to get a bit far away from the original topic, which was about how the DX7 changed modern music. I am also a big fan of electronic music and owned several of the x0x synths, but they're only really recognizable to people who are already into synths. Of course if you play an 808 and 909 next to one another, they don't sound the same. But if you play a random piece of music…

I dunno... I disagree with the assertion that the DX7 was the synth that made synth music mainstream.

A lot of pop from before was already using synths. Funkytown was a Billboard #1 hit 4 years before the DX7, and so was Vangelis, Human League, Eurythmics and Owner of a Lonely Heart a year or two after that, not to mention lots of Michael Jackson and even the Ghostbuster theme... and that's just the Billboard #1 hits. Even Van Halen released "Jump" a year before the DX7, and England was already having synth bands since the late 80s. People were more than used to synthesizers by the time the DX7 hit.

And about the 909/303, back in the 80s/90s a lot of EDM tracks had 909 in the title, including a Daft Punk track. Same for some 303 tracks (but Acid was way more obscure). House and Techno people definitely heard about those. In fact, they were probably more popular than the DX7.

Sure none of those comes close to the 808 today, but that's because the 808 itself had a resurgence in the mid-2000s, and hip hop only got bigger since them.

Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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> I think the TR-808 is the only one that might qualify. Only? No way! :D The Roland TR-909 is also extremely popular and was considered the sound of techno and house even after the TR-808 started to fade outside hip-hop. In the mid-90s it was one of the first drum machines to start being cloned by new manufacturers due to the demand. The bass drum is still used as the foundation for a lot of EDM. It never went away.…

Agree with you on the 909 and especially the 303, the synth that birthed the acid genre and is still in use to create new music, check out Tin Man Neo Neo Acid. Hard disagree on Plastikman being a musicians musician though. He was beyond huge in the 90ies, saw a guy with a Plastikman tattoo covering his whole back. Richie Hawtin went on to become one of the top DJs in the world. One year he played on four new years e…

Ooops, just re-read my message and you're absolutely right. My mistake. I fixed it.

Actually even Aphex Twin is pretty famous... the only thing not famous is the phrase is the TR-606! hehe

Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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It's 800 now? I remember seeing them in the early 2000s for about 200 USD in used music stores and pawn shops, and even then people thought that was expensive since everyone were starting to hype analog stuff and had some disdain for them!

Hehe... there’s one on Gumtree for $580 AUD! But at the time, you couldn’t give away Prophet 5s! If only I had a time machine

I was too young at the time but I remember older people saying the same about Les Pauls, Jazzmasters and vintage guitar pedals in the late 80s!

It was truly a weird time in terms of music and music equipment! Everything from the 50s/60s/70s went out of style, but returned in full force in the 90s, while the 80s stuff started getting rejected. Crazy!

Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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FM (frequency modulating) synthesis in itself was rather groundbreaking. Typically when we're talking about creating sounds, we mainly had additive and subtractive synthesis where stacking oscillators were used to shape sounds. FM uses oscillators to manipulate other oscillator's waveforms, which opened up a whole lot of new possibilities. The DX7 mainly was an affordable all-rounder that got loaded with a ton of alr…

Indeed, the Genesis (aka Mega Drive) brought a sound very different from what was around at the time. As an example, here is the rendition of the Battletoads soundtrack for the NES [1] which you can compare to the Genesis version [2]. Both by legend David Wise [3] of later Donkey Kong Country fame. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCFqF-IeeAk [2]: https://archive.org/details/md_music_battletoads/ [3]: https://en.…

OT since not FM, but my favourite OST is from Battletoads in Battlemaniacs for SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGsaKoP66o&list=PLA90CC2EE7...

Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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I was astounded when i realized that the keyboard player of my favourite Psychedelic Rock band plays a DX7.

You can check them out here: https://smokemaster.bandcamp.com/album/smokemaster

Somehow affiliated, since the bassplayer and main songwriter is a friend of mine.

They might have some blue (1st press) and orange (2nd press) vinyls left to sell. If you want to get one and don't want to feed the scalpers on discogs, send me a mail.

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Re: Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

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I think this is where the conversation starts to get a bit far away from the original topic, which was about how the DX7 changed modern music. I am also a big fan of electronic music and owned several of the x0x synths, but they're only really recognizable to people who are already into synths. Of course if you play an 808 and 909 next to one another, they don't sound the same. But if you play a random piece of music…

I dunno... I disagree with the assertion that the DX7 was the synth that made synth music mainstream. A lot of pop from before was already using synths. Funkytown was a Billboard #1 hit 4 years before the DX7, and so was Vangelis, Human League, Eurythmics and Owner of a Lonely Heart a year or two after that, not to mention lots of Michael Jackson and even the Ghostbuster theme... and that's just the Billboard #1 hits…

You are correct that synth music as a genre existed before the DX7, and that synths were used in popular songs even going back into the 70s. But what this article is discussing, and what most people discuss when they talk about the DX7, is how its sales dwarfed that of any synth that came before it. It didn't just become a piece of equipment used by major studios in countless hits across many different genres, it also became an affordable and useful instrument for working musicians across the board.

Right up the top of this thread the first commenter explained it well: "The keyboard player's job moved from playing the piano or organ to coming up with all the accompaniment parts that aren't guitars."

What I don't know is if the DX7 itself was particularly recognized as a DX7 by most of the people listening to music that was made with it. My guess is that most casual listeners still just considered it "the thing that the keyboard player is playing". This is why I am not sure that it is as uniquely distinctive as the commenter near the top of this thread suggested.

Of course trained musicians can identify a DX7 in a track, just as they might be able to hear the difference between a Stratocaster and a Telecaster. Dedicated fans might also hear the difference, if they're interested enough to pay attention. But someone just listening to a tune on the radio, humming along to it, I don't think they're going to go "yep, that's the good ol' DX7 electric piano patch" or "yep that's a classic Strat sound".

Personally, I think laypeople do identify the 808 in this way, just judging from anecdotal conversations with people who are not musicians, not DJs, not "serious" music fans, just regular people. This is why I think the 808 is an interesting instrument, and perhaps special in a way that the DX7 wasn't, and the TB-303 and TR-909 weren't. That doesn't mean those other synths aren't special for their own reasons, I was just commenting on something I perceive to be unique about the 808 - a relatively widespread understanding of what its "sound" is.

If you are a hardcore music fan or a musician, it can be illuminating to do some testing with someone who isn't. Play them a song, point out some piece of equipment, explain to them why this song has a 909 hihat but that song has a 707 hihat, and how you can tell the difference. Then play them another song and see if they can identify the hihat. 9 times out of 10 that's not what people are listening for. That's not how they experience music, they don't break it down like that.

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