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Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

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I agree with most of the points raised by the author but as a Venezuelan Bitcoin is a godsend. If you live abroad and want to send remittances to your friends and family it can be pretty easy in a normal country , with wire transfers,western union and so on. If your family lives in Venezuela your options are extremely more limited. These are some of the options Venezuelans have had to use: 1. Ask the money to be sent…

I see BTC as an immensely successful first try at making this kind of thing - and like any emerging tech it's slow, inefficient, sharp edges, mostly used by experts. It's a tech channeled towards an Ayn Randian utopian fantasy, and has run right into the limits of that fantasy as a working philosophy. And yet, it still has practically useful properties. The coins that win as a currency will have to loosen their grasp…

Most of the problems of Bitcoin are solved by centralization. Reversibility, transaction speed, increasing and decreasing the supply. The problem is that centralization creates an investment contract. We already have a medium for exchanging those. It's called the stock market. Bitcoin operates out of the control of any government or regulation. Thus, the decentralization imposes limitations on its design.

XRP tried to make a centralized cryptocurrency that solved those problems and now the SEC is basically telling them they have to give all the money back because it's an investment contract.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#562

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> After all, you can only charge what consumers can afford to pay. In the US, it is more like "you can only charge what consumers can go into debt for". The self-correcting force of consumer inflation on price discovery has been time-delayed buffered and confusing price signals for a long time for select industries by acommodative consumer debt issuance. Without that effect upon price discovery, I suspect the number…

Thanks. This is super interesting. Can I rephrase to make sure I understand? What you're saying is that; due to debt issuance in the US, it's hard for commodities and consumer goods to be priced efficiently. I interpret "confusing price signals" to mean that e.g. Apple can charge $1k for an iPhone and sell out to families who wouldn't typically be able to afford it, but the price of bread remains the same. Your medic…

> I interpret "confusing price signals" to mean that e.g. Apple can charge $1k for an iPhone and sell out to families who wouldn't typically be able to afford it, but the price of bread remains the same.

It is more an interplay between wages and price signals of consumer goods and services than between price signals of separate commodities and consumer goods. Consumer debt (primarily credit card, but also HELOC) distorts the timely impact of purchasing signals upon pricing, but wages-offered signals are much quicker to respond. The debt acts as phantom wages, but only for awhile does this levitating act suspend disbelief in the pricing signals, until the debt service overwhelms consumers. By then, the purchasing decision has already long since been priced into the market, and the correction of the debt overwhelming the consumer is either completely ignored because it is by now disconnected, or attenuated away into irrelevance.

"Awhile" in this use case is longer than the time horizon of most consumers, on the order of a few months to a few years depending upon the individual, but in any case long enough to modify consumer behavior. The glass half-full perspective is this behavior implies a strong optimistic bias to consumers; nearly everyone believes they will make the debt nut over time. Looking at the historic patterns of US institutions laying off however, most working and middle class US consumers should be much more secularly pessimistic in looking after their own interests: they should be acting on a cash-basis only, and make very austere purchasing decisions therefrom until they can use capital to help themselves, instead of capital using them via debt (with extremely few exceptions, like home mortgage in very circumscribed circumstances which most of them do not qualify for).

> Your medical bill comment -- you're basically saying that when one of these families hits a statistically predictable snag, they're instantly bankrupt because they've always been functionally broke, propped up by the consumer debt industry?

Correct. Most working and middle class families are under-insured. Using plans that only pay 80% of covered procedures. Or have very high annual deductibles to afford the premiums, which are orders of magnitude more than what they can pay from savings. Most such families struggle to find $400 to spare [1]. A typical high-deductible-low-premium health plan will typically set back a family $2-4,000 before the plan kicks in, and for many of these families, the plan offered by employers only pays 80% of covered procedures, and there are many exceptions to covered procedures.

Unless you are well-educated, persistent, have time to set aside, apply an extremely low time preference, and able to learn the ropes, these families are completely unprepared for the probable budget killing black swans. One bad broken bone, or God forbid a serious disease, they first get blind-sided by a $2,500 deductible. Which they'll take on debt to meet. Then they start getting the bills and dunning letters. Many of which are wrong, but that's where the "well-educated, persistent, have time to set aside" part comes into play: you have to be willing to pay the cost in your own time and energy to make the phone calls and figure out which bills are legitimately what you have to pay, and which the insurance company has to pay, and do other people's jobs for them by pointing out where it says in the black letter policies their own companies wrote. So many of these families start good-naturedly taking on more debt for multi-hundred (if they're lucky) and multi-thousand (typical) bills they shouldn't, which they cannot afford.

It is not unusual for a mean household income of $68,000 to get blindsided with $30,000 in medical debt. At high double-digit interest rates. Mix in a chronic, terminal or serious illness, and they start racking up nearly that much every single year. The US system is fundamentally broken.

> And so you're saying that most commodity goods face deflationary pressure as a means to stabilize the market? So if the price of commodity goods does increase significantly beyond the capacity of debt issuance, we're likely to see a depression?

Most commodity goods consumed by working and middle classes are facing deflationary pressure on the consumer buy side because the bulk of consumers in working and middle classes are barely staying afloat through sheer, literal luck of the draw. But yes, with those qualifiers in place, you rephrased what I intended convey.

Due to the US lack of adequate response to COVID-19, the presence of an unknown, yet statistically significant recovered population exhibiting what so far appear to be chronic after effects, and the above dynamics with medical debt, one factor to the US economic recovery story I'm watching is how many people go into bankruptcy because their after-acute-recovery conditions require too much care (in the US, any ongoing care is too much for such financially-stressed families). 19.9M infected is large enough to affect the margins if enough of them require even medium-term (3-7 year) care, not to speak of life-long care. I wish I had hedge fund-grade access to data, as this is tradeable information at the macro scale.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/20/heres-why-so-many-americans-...

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

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You can make the same argument about AirBNB or Uber. The bottom line is that when a technology becomes available that makes life much easier for its users, it's really hard for the government to then crack down on it. There's not much reason for any government to want to crack down on BTC simply for the sake of cracking down on it. People talk about governments cracking down on BTC because it will undermine the local…

>>People talk about governments cracking down on BTC because it will undermine the local currency or banking system but I think that's mostly paranoia Incorrect, the government has no concerns over undermining the local currency. The primary purpose of banking regulations is population control, it has nothing to do with currency perservation Know your Customer laws, book keeping regulations, etc are all about control…

Government isn't a monolith. There are individuals within the government that have altruistic goals. It may be helpful for certain analyses to simplify and consider a government as an individual, but for other analyses that's counter-productive.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

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It isn't as simple as that. Not only have you got to change that line of code, you need to convince all users of bitcoin to run that version of the code including miners. Otherwise you have forked the coin and you might be the only user of it (your version is incompatible with the rest).

You don’t need most to agree. Just the basic majority (50%+). And of course that’s exactly what the major mining consortiums will do: Collude to increase the limit when it’s reached. After all, the rewards are in the mining, not the transaction fee.

> You don’t need most to agree. Just the basic majority (50%+).

This is a common misconception about how consensus works. Everyone on the network has to agree, anyone who doesn't agree by definition won't be on the same network. They won't be able to receive the same fork of bitcoin that everyone else is sending.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

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Perhaps the most powerful thing about Bitcoin is that the guy who created it is unknown (if Satoshi was a guy or a lone person at all) and that it mostly runs on autopilot and at this point is not governed by a single body. It can't be sued. The creator of it can't be sued. And yes, more of it can't be made and there is deflation built into it. Genius.

I think you mean deflation, the exact opposite of inflation, is built into Bitcoin.

You are correct. Thank you for catching that.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#567

I agree with most of the points raised by the author but as a Venezuelan Bitcoin is a godsend. If you live abroad and want to send remittances to your friends and family it can be pretty easy in a normal country , with wire transfers,western union and so on. If your family lives in Venezuela your options are extremely more limited. These are some of the options Venezuelans have had to use: 1. Ask the money to be sent…

It’s a godsend to a small handful of Venezuelans, it’s not a general solution as of course a transaction fee is a few months minimum wage. It does literally nothing to solve the problem more broadly. You’d be better off holding value on their behalf stateside. Of course the government could shut it off in a heartbeat. How many North Koreans does Bitcoin help?

read my answer, it's pretty well explained there

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

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> After all, you can only charge what consumers can afford to pay. In the US, it is more like "you can only charge what consumers can go into debt for". The self-correcting force of consumer inflation on price discovery has been time-delayed buffered and confusing price signals for a long time for select industries by acommodative consumer debt issuance. Without that effect upon price discovery, I suspect the number…

Thanks. This is super interesting. Can I rephrase to make sure I understand? What you're saying is that; due to debt issuance in the US, it's hard for commodities and consumer goods to be priced efficiently. I interpret "confusing price signals" to mean that e.g. Apple can charge $1k for an iPhone and sell out to families who wouldn't typically be able to afford it, but the price of bread remains the same. Your medic…

Actually the real problem is that the iPhones are not produced in the US so any profit that accrues goes to well paid Apple engineers and Apple shareholders. If you are not a highly skilled worker you are not going to get a share of the profit. That's the general problem first world countries are facing, lack of demand for low skilled labor unless it is illegal immigrant labor because that is the only form of labor that is cheap enough to compete with foreign countries. You can either train everyone (very hard) or make sure there are enough low skilled jobs (government stimulus).

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

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Inflation is a loss of value, most directly observed in rising prices. Everything else–money supply, borrowing costs, etc are linked to it, but do not necessarily correlate. The price of a Big Mac is almost certain to be a far better approximation than any of those indicators. This really isn't that complicated.

It really isn't, you're right. Historically, inflation always meant inflation of the money supply . Its definition has changed over time and you've been swindled. If you have a name for something, name the root cause, otherwise you're obfuscating its study, and perpetuating the non-identification of the root cause. "Inflation, as this term was always used everywhere and especially in this country, means increasing th…

Isn’t the issue exactly that money supply is increasing decoupled from the real economy? This is why quantitative easing hasn’t particularly increased consumer prices, which are one important indicator of value.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

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Can we have "cash you can email" that doesn't consume as much electricity as several nation states combined?

Looking solely at that criterial, ACH transfers work.

ACH is US Banking only. You can not do Direct person to person transfers, you must go through a US Bank for ACH

ACH is also SLOW and painfully insecure relaying on the banking institutions to stop gap the security and its built in slowness to allow for reversals of fraud or error transfers

ACH is not a model people should be promoting as good method to do money transfer

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