On windows have a look at
http://poshconsole.codeplex.com/
Same idea, with powershell as the base.
TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
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Re: TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
#32Many times you need to look beneath the veneer of abstractions that is the modern GUI, to work with speed and flexibility. However you don't want to strip away all the abstractions. That would yield the system very unwieldy. (example: Programming in C vs Programming in Assembly) The Unix command prompt is just the right amount of abstraction for me, and for many other users. What the project proposes is certainly nov…
Exactly, I think if you are a hacker you will stick with the shell the way it is, because knowing how stuff works with "zero" abstractions is power. Reminds me of this: http://i.imgur.com/jqIcv.jpg Also I mean as a hacker, not as an entrepreneur.
I think my point is that we've all been so locked into these tools that we've become blind as to where their failing are. I wanted to start TermKit from a fresh slate and only slowly add bits of existing Unix to it, so I could make sure the resulting whole still made sense.
Re: TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
#33Some interesting ideas there. He doesn't link to discussion of similar projects: I was reminded of Commander S: http://www.deinprogramm.de/scheme-2005/05-knauel/05-knauel.p... I've not been able to build Termkit yet, mind.
Shouldn't need to build it, there is a zipped .app included. You do have to build node.js though.
Re: TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
#34I love the idea of experimenting with graphical output on the console. I've seen images and vidoes running on the terminal (not a terminal emulator) using "framebuffer" consoles.
Sadly that typically only worked in full-screen mode.
If somebody wrote an ordinary terminal emulator that allowed pixel graphics as part of the normal text flow, and created an easy API for programs to use it, I'd be very happy.
TermKit looks cool, but I fear I'm too old-fashioned to move away from ordinary shell in such large steps.
Re: TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
#35Great. Looks awesome and is much needed. It should be possible to map the output for the Current Working Host too. So: home> ssh Server1 Server1> ls server1file.bin that server1file.bin should be mapped to scp Server1:server1file.bin
I'm not sure what you mean. If you like, you can describe your idea in more detail and open an issue on github:
https://github.com/unconed/TermKit/issues
Re: TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
And on another note... it's been hilarious how people have been questioning my professional credentials just because I want to make something more usable. I've implemented over a dozen RFCs, can match regexps with the best of them and do know which end of a pipe does what ;).
I'm also a bit disappointed on how most people here react. I personally think your idea is great and pretty futuristic. I would certainly use a tool like this. Also it's open source so if a specific detail (such as the font) bugs them it can simply be changed. I've had similar ideas (based on Python) but never got around to executing them. Keep up the good work and don't let the angry bearded UNIX dinosaurs get to yo…
I'm having a blast and interpreting all the flak as a sign I must be doing something right...
Re: TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have no clue, I looked in the github repos very quickly and saw all kind of scary .m files and I gave up :) If it's mainly HTML/js/webkit based then it would not be hard to port it to a portable window toolkit such as Qt4 (which has a QWebKit widget...).
Doesn't the article say it's TK? Which means it's already got X bindings.
I believe TK stands for TermKit, not the tk widget set.
Re: TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
#38On windows have a look at http://poshconsole.codeplex.com/ Same idea, with powershell as the base.
Interesting. I stayed away from powershell because it does the opposite of what I want to do: it makes the shell more like a programming language, and it still limits the output to text.
Thanks for the tip.
Re: TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
#39I'm just curious if he has to re-write essentially every unix tool in javascript.
I can't really say whether most unix developers would appreciate this. I don't like it and I exclusively use tiling window managers, xterm, and emacs. Though if I wanted fancy features I might try rxvt-unicode or some such.
Re: TermKit - a graphical terminal replacement
#40After seeing something about this yesterday, I said on Rstat.us/Twitter that I thought it was pretty but disagreed with the whole premise. I still do, I think, but I'm very impressed with how reasonable Steven's response was. He wrote me and asked pretty much "Why?" I said essentially "Unix philosophy" and attached the link that ended up in his blog post.[1] He wrote back and at some point he wrote this post, probabl…
To address some of your concerns: - Monospace fonts for code is definitely in. Try catting a .js file, it will get syntax highlighted. Most likely, it doesn't recognize the mime type of your file. It's using the old mime.types DB + some custom additions... also, the highlighter I'm using only has so many languages defined. I looked for the most comprehensive / least fail one. - Regarding vim... I admit I just don't l…
The file I was trying to cat is group_add.sh. I understand if syntax highlighting isn't done for shell files, but I'm surprised that '.sh' doesn't trigger monospace fonts. That said, I'm glad to hear that in general monospace for code is the plan.
We can agree to disagree about Vim and shell scripting. I use those both, all day and every day. Tastes vary. That's fine.
I really wish you would reconsider the single quoting/WYSIWYG/visual divider business. It's extremely jarring to see awk (or sed, etc.) without those single quotes.
Doubting your credentials on the basis of this is silly, and will probably be the minority reaction in the long run. I would be surprised if you don't get offered a few jobs as the result of making TermKit.