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UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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Might not be all bad if we get CANZUK out of it. Here's hoping.

Except the ex-colonies want nothing to do with the UK. We can smell the fear and desperation. There is nothing in it for us. We aren't going to bail out the UK or take the influx of economic refugees.

> take the influx of economic refugees.

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/xkveiyy6w5

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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Not wanting to be in the EU makes you a racist how exactly? Are we using the word “racist” in the same way as it was applied in the last four years in America?

I visit UK often because of family ties. The most frequent answer I get when I ask people why they voted to leave is that foreigners come over and take their jobs and put a strain on NHS, vaguely referencing the influx of Polish immigrants they got when Poland entered the EU. So maybe not racists, but xenophobes for sure.

Does wanting one’s own country to focus on its citizens first make one a xenophobe?

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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It was the same when the transition period started, guess it shows where the balance stood

Well, I think the UK got a fantastic deal in the end. (I'm Swedish.)

Not as good as we had before. It’s the only trade deal negotiated with the explicitly stated intention of having fewer benefits than before.

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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Yay. Now we're free. Oh wait, no, it's just that absolutely everything got harder, more expensive, more nationalistic, more pathetic and sad. It's all incredibly depressing. Here's hoping our kids manage to vote us back in as soon as those Tory f's are out.

Nah, the EU won't last another 5 years.

Brexit was a howto manual for the other member states. :)

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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> Here's hoping our kids manage to vote us back in New old people are created every day. So I wouldn't necessarily count on it. I hope you're right though.

It's almost entropic really - there was a genuinely depressing YouGov graph from a few years ago which plotted the number of people who actually think the EU is an important issue vs. time: The number is almost nil (even the wonks didn't care) until the year/s directly leading up to the referendum. Europe is a tricky problem, but the way Brexit specifically has happened (Lie, Damned Lies, and fake statistics - at bes…

> the only real lesson from this is that referenda are truly disastrous for complex policy decisions.

Yeah, I think that's definitely the big lesson.

I feel it's exacerbated by decades of tabloid propaganda.

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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As a Scotsman, this is a sad day. My only hope is that we leave the Union and that Ireland can work out it's differences and pursue reunification. There is nothing else left for it. A tragic time to be British and nothing to celebrate here.

As an Englishman, I'm entirely in favor of Scottish independence. It would save us a considerable amount of money.

Very interesting that you would be willing to make yourself into yet an even weaker entity. What a tragic and utterly preventable denouement for a once proud empire.

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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As a Scotsman, this is a sad day. My only hope is that we leave the Union and that Ireland can work out it's differences and pursue reunification. There is nothing else left for it. A tragic time to be British and nothing to celebrate here.

I’m all in favour of Scottish independence as long as they let us southerners immigrate.

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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Yay. Now we're free. Oh wait, no, it's just that absolutely everything got harder, more expensive, more nationalistic, more pathetic and sad. It's all incredibly depressing. Here's hoping our kids manage to vote us back in as soon as those Tory f's are out.

Personal opinion. Tribalism prevails, humans have no fix. Perhaps in another reality or dimension it is conceivable for people to come together and form a truly resourceful world government. Wait till you see how the lack of world coordination keeps this virus thriving in half of the planet. While we plot beautiful statistics to show which tribe has less cases in a non-uniform response. Hail the great UK for awakenin…

Nothing like diversionary foreign policy :/

The EU has really been quite a convenient scapegoat, not just in the UK. I wonder if politicians on all sides will/can continue to blame the EU now that the UK has "full control". I have a feeling that, yes, they will.

As much as I consider myself a pan-European, the European institutions, governance and government unfortunately make for a (mostly deservedly) great political target.

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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Um. Finding it hard to parse this..?

The European identity is not tied to the European union but to a shared culture and history. Or are Swiss and Norse people also not European?

The EU vote in Norway almost 30 years ago was very, very different from the British Brexit affair. Luckily for us Norwegians, we didn't suffer from anyone like Mark Francois, for example.

Of course you could say that Brexit has nothing to do with British culture.

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