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Bitcoin is a disaster

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Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#31
That’s nonsense. Bitcoin is as good a store of value as gold due to one unique feature: scarcity. Actually, it’s even less power consuming than the gold industry and is much more transparent. I wouldn’t really advise bitcoin for anything else, like day to day transactions, although I and many of my friends have used bitcoin to transact on dark markets and it works.

The only argument I’ve heard about gold being better than bitcoin is that you can do something with gold. That’s horse in my opinion. Gold is good for nothing useful imo, but is used in jewlery and other because it has value (not the other way around, as in gold has value because people make jewelry with it).

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#32
post #3

>The scarcity of block chain space has led people to re-invent every last feature of the banks they thought they were going to be escaping. This is a pretty funny point because every time I go on twitter and see people talk about crypto, what they're essentially having is a discussion about public policy, and often they seem to try to reinvent institutions that already exist without even knowing it. From market-maker…

Ironic isnt it

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#33

I was following along until this bit which seems to hold up the entire argument: > [BTC mining] is often done using electricity which is effectively stolen from taxpayers with the help of government officials Can somebody elaborate on the stolen/corruption angle?

proof of work is an energy black hole. it goes to where energy is cheapest. this means that it has a tendency to go to places where subsidies exist and destroy said subsidy. if there is a place where electricity is being propped up by taxes or other such things for the benefit of the community, there is no reason for them to not just plug in a bunch of miners there and suck that subsidy dry.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#34
From what I understand, the availability of coin that can be "mined" halves every year (?), so at some point there will be essentially no new coin. What you have is what you have out there. It will just keep going up in price to include all the accumulating "worth". That should be fun to watch.

In addition, just yesterday the headline flashed in front of me, Marketwatch: "After recent price spike, bitcoin requires enough power for a country of more than 200 million people".

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#35

I was following along until this bit which seems to hold up the entire argument: > [BTC mining] is often done using electricity which is effectively stolen from taxpayers with the help of government officials Can somebody elaborate on the stolen/corruption angle?

I think he's referring to miners stealing electricity in China

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#36

I have no idea what he is talking about. I use bitcoin to buy things both onchain and via lightning and the experience is so smooth and much much better than the circa 2017 period when fees were high. Don't keep it on exchange. The real thing that is stopping adoption is countries trying to classify it as a commodity and insist to pay capital gains on every microtransaction. Some countries are backwards (US, UK) than…

> No VAT on bitcoin transactions

Sounds like a defect in the technology to me. A good currency should be able to support the full range of social policies (like VAT).

One of the problems of the Euro is not being able to inflate different countries within the Eurozone at different rates. If Bitcoin were ever to become popular for regular transactions within many countries, it'd be a fiscal policy disaster. Pretty soon you'd hear Portugal, Italy, Spain, and Greece banning its use, along with similarly wobbly countries in other parts of the world. I remember Malaysia catching flak for halting foreign currency exchange during the Asian Financial Crisis, but it turned out to be a really smart move. It turns out that a globally integrated economy isn't always best for the smaller economies. They need to be able to adjust the spigot.

Edit: I suppose this suggests a feature request for Bitcoin: namespacing, of a sort. If the currency were able to support cross-namespace conversion controls, like a tax determined by a function of the velocity and acceleration of exchange ... that'd be pretty darn cool. Each country could pick its namespace, and have control over its exchange tax function. Taking it further, you could tax intra-namespace transactions. VAT with no bureaucracy. Each account could be tied to a citizen, transactions taxed at some progressive schedule, and then uniformly distributed to every account daily. The transaction tax could be dynamic, to encourage currency flow in bad times, and to add some friction when things are overheating.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#37

Completely agreeable, albeit it misses a point: Governments can't print more of it. That's it really, everything else is noise. I can sympathize with btc (I wish we still had a gold standard, or a standard based on the price of common goods) but I don't see much the other benefits. On top of this, governments could ban btc.

I mean, the 21 million cap is just a line of code no? No reason why if enough people agree to it they could just print more. Or they could fork and print more no? I find it strange that people speak of bitcoin's scarcity as if it were a physical thing.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#38
Bitcoin doesn’t care about these articles. Ignore it if you want - many people do. Bitcoin gives the choice to opt of the current financial system. No problem if you don’t, it’s completely voluntarily.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#39
post #3

>The scarcity of block chain space has led people to re-invent every last feature of the banks they thought they were going to be escaping. This is a pretty funny point because every time I go on twitter and see people talk about crypto, what they're essentially having is a discussion about public policy, and often they seem to try to reinvent institutions that already exist without even knowing it. From market-maker…

I don't see the irony.

The point is that Bitcoin has introduced an actual "digital cash" currency without institutional/governmental middlemen. That institutions can be built on top of that, and that some people want such institutions, doesn't change the novel utility of finally having a currency that functions like digital cash.

It's like saying it's ironic that people use physical USD for anonymous p2p transactions when USD banking systems have KYC laws. It's a non sequitur.

Re: Bitcoin is a disaster

#40
the biggest difference between this rally and 2017 is that it appears to be mostly just bitcoin and, to a smaller extent, eth, and seems largely driven by institutions who now feel it is finally investable.

imo there isn’t quite the same level of excitement even though the price is much higher now. just feels like another asset Wall Street is accumulating.

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