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Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

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Re: Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

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post #36

Bruce Sterling said some similar stuff in the Last Viridian Note, and he said it far better: http://www.viridiandesign.org/notes/451-500/the_last_viridia... It's a little unfortunate that viridiandesign.org is basically unreadable due to that terrible background image.

The arc90 readability bookmarklet fixes it for me.

The good old Ctrl-A also does the trick ;)

Re: Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

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post #45

I disagree. I find this ode to consumerism quite distasteful. Sure, buy quality items if you can afford them, they'll often be worth the investment - but choosing to be frugal because of difficult financial circumstances is a good thing . Most people don't need half of what they buy. As for 'being fugal makes you a loser'; I think if the choice is being seen as a loser by the author of the article, and being broke an…

One reason his article resonates with me is because everything chosen as examples are quite personal and practical: Shoes. Bedding. Tools. Hygiene. Were he arguing that we should all purchase the newest kitchen gadgets, technical life improvement fads, or whatever, I would agree.

But nail clippers, for heaven's sake!? He sounds a bit like Lifestyle magazine clientelle.

Re: Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

#83
post #51

I'm in a state of disbelief that this is the top article on HN right now. Reading this article made me feel like I was shopping in the discount aisle of the pop-psych megalo-mart. This article is cheap shoes. It is poorly written, contains numerous abuses of the English language, and aims low at an obvious insight; the comments have been an order of magnitude more insightful. The author utterly misunderstands the mea…

Yes, it is a really awful article. I'm sure it's not the worst thing to ever be #1 though. Some of the specific advice is interesting, even if oddly wrong on specifics. Box springs aren't really important unless the design of your frame or style of mattress requires one. There is way more to buying shoes than getting the most comfortable ones for Maybe I should write some call-out in overly emotional language about how you, Hacker News reader, should do ergonomics better. Probably I should just write it in earnest, but then it probably won't be interesting enough to capture the wisdom of the mob.

I'm not sure if the author of this piece even realized his own thesis, which was basically "spend money on ergonomics" and instead he linked it together under the guise of being frugal, where frugality is a great attribute that is in reality divorced from the logic of this article.

Re: Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

#85
post #25

I tend to buy in two strategies. Either so cheap but functional I don't mind throwing it out later (as eco bad as that might be), or buying good quality wares. I believe that if you can afford good quality wares, that that will both make you happier and leave you with something of substantial resale value. So it may be a better financial strategy. Compare cheap Target cabinet with "Handmade Amish Furniture." That sai…

I agree.

The way I see it there is a price/value curve where it's worth buying things at both ends.

At the high end you're paying a premium but you're getting a well designed and constructed item, which should last you a long time.

At the low end you're buying cheap crap but you're paying peanuts. You know there's no high end features, that it's not well made and if it breaks you just throw it out.

But in the middle you're paying more than the cheap stuff but you're mostly still getting crap, although here's it's likely to be 'branded' crap. Same thing as the cheap stuff, just more expensive.

So buy at both ends of the scale, not in the middle: buy cheap and get what value you can out of it, buy expensive and appreciate its value for a long time.

Re: Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

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post #69
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from the NE, and the word "frugal" does not mean the same thing here as it does in the South. As someone above said about New England, frugal is an art form here. Frugal is spending more on Calphalon cookware because you don't waste a ton of money eating out 3x a week, and want cooking gear that lasts a lifetime so you don't have to spend more money re-buying cheap stuff later.

Fair enough. Where I'm from people say "frugal" because they don't want to say "cheap" even though that would be the truth.

Sure, I've heard people use it this way down South, it's part of the politeness culture there, where using "cheap" would be perceived as insulting or pejorative.

Re: Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

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There is a hidden cost to owning "lifetime" stuff- you have to keep track of it, maintain it, and ensure it doesn't get damaged or stolen. sure, having a nice tool is nice, but it is also /more work/ for as long as I keep it. The $150 'paladin tools' brand cable tracer? it's pretty nice, but I've got to spend effort keeping track of it. I've ended up buying a bunch generic of $5 'continuity testers' and leaving one at each data center and one in my car. the nicer tool doesn't do me any good if it's across town. Also, if I drop something heavy on one of these or if someone steals it? who cares.

I mean, sometimes you need the quality part to do the job, and sometimes maintaining quality tools can even be a pleasurable experience, but recognize that there is a cost to owning stuff you can't just walk away from.

Re: Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

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I'd just like to point out that true frugality doesn't lower your status. It raises mine because I have a higher standard of living and thus appear to have higher income than I actually do.

Miserly-ness is the result of something I call naive cost benefit analysis, which is an analysis that leaves out important variables.

Re: Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

#89
post #45

I disagree. I find this ode to consumerism quite distasteful. Sure, buy quality items if you can afford them, they'll often be worth the investment - but choosing to be frugal because of difficult financial circumstances is a good thing . Most people don't need half of what they buy. As for 'being fugal makes you a loser'; I think if the choice is being seen as a loser by the author of the article, and being broke an…

I agree, but for a different reason. I really broke from his thesis when he said, "It also reinforces the mindset that you’re cheap. “Stuff is cheap, so I don’t need a lot of money.” “I’m happy with mediocrity.”"

Really? "Buy more expensive stuff, so you'll require a higher salary"? This is ridiculous.

Re: Being Frugal Makes You A Loser

#90
post #20

Wow, I disagree. Starting with expensive shoes. I wear flip-flops, shorts, and a t-shirt to work everyday. I'm pretty comfortable. I don't see the correlation between expensive footwear and comfort. Beds. Yes, you spend 1/3 your life in bed. And you spend it unconscious. You spend about 0.03% of your conscious life in bed while falling asleep (30 mins a day). But more importantly: Relax. Just because you make a certa…

I don't know about you, but I also have sex in my bed. And personally I prefer to have sex on a reasonably comfortable surface. Not saying that the floor can't be nice, but carpet burn isn't really my thing ...
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