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Re: Why Jira Sucks

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post #133

To me, what sucks about JIRA (and would suck about any well-designed tool that replaces it) is not "feature x" but the entire JIRA mentality. All of it. It encourages micro-management. It encourages more and more process. It is the enemy of getting better at the DORA metrics, which requires streamlining process. tickets in JIRA are not the work itself, never was and never will be, it is a LARP of the work, but it get…

Any better software to replace it ?

I don't know if better software can replace stupid management but I've been quite happy with Youtrack. That said you can do some extensive micromanagement with that as well, though it requires some coding to do the truly intricate stuff, which just might be enough to prevent the managers from getting any funny ideas ;-)

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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post #19

Try linear.app and it will clarify why Jira sucks :)

It would be nice if any of the alternatives would be in line with Jira cost for a large enterprise. I can’t recommend this to anyone if our cost for issue tracking would quadruple overnight. Not to mention the migration costs...

Re: Why Jira Sucks

#143
post #119

There's a hundred small issues with Jira, but there's one huge one: It's slow. Really, really slow. Atlassian seems to make a lot of money, so I guess they're optimising for something that matters to someone , but from my point of view I have a simple process for evaluating tools: 1) Can I use it at all ? 2) How many of the features I want does it have? I'm pretty sure Jira would score great on the second question, b…

It has that slowness that makes my soul die a little every time I bring up a page, every time I click on a link, every time I make an edit, every time I... What’s the opposite of “delightful”?

> What’s the opposite of “delightful”?

Unpleasant?

Re: Why Jira Sucks

#144

To me, what sucks about JIRA (and would suck about any well-designed tool that replaces it) is not "feature x" but the entire JIRA mentality. All of it. It encourages micro-management. It encourages more and more process. It is the enemy of getting better at the DORA metrics, which requires streamlining process. tickets in JIRA are not the work itself, never was and never will be, it is a LARP of the work, but it get…

Exactly right.

Our folk wisdom metaphors for QA/Test and change management are wrong. Sure, given enough thrust, even pigs can fly. But polish a turd and it's still a turd. [1]

JIRAs turrible implementation isn't even as bad as the CRM, ERP, enterprise products of yore. Turrible, sure. But I've seen worse. Much worse.

[1] I was a QA Manager for a while. Someday I may publish (explain) the play books my teams used for shrink wrapped releases. (Spoiler: I replaced a lot of heavy weight CRUD based mgmt with lightest weight artifacts. Like just printing all the bugs, taped to the wall, and using approval voting to prioritorize.) Until then, Bryzek's new "testing in production" strategy is the only QA/Test workflow that seems directionally correct in our new agile SaaS world.

https://www.infoq.com/podcasts/Michael-Bryzek-testing-in-pro...

Re: Why Jira Sucks

#145

does anybody use monday.com ? it looks very capable at high level (and addresses some of those observability issues stated in the site)

My workplace uses Monday.com and some folks like it but I personally find it clunky and underwhelming. In my opinion, it tries to do too many things and doesn't do any one thing particularly well. If you are just wanting a kanban board, you are better off sticking with Trello. If you are wanting bug tracking, feature requests, etc, you are better off with things like GitHub Issues and other specialized tools. YMMV of course.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Am I the only one who has never had an issue with Jira? Sure, there are some things that could be better. But, overall, I find I'm content with Jira.

My belief from seeing many organizations struggle with Jira is they have process issues that need to be addressed outside of Jira. Jira is simply the place where their process becomes visualized and put into place - so it gets blamed for the breakdowns.

Reading through this list, I can picture exactly why this user is having these complaints. Some of these a definitely UX frustrations, but many of these seem to be fundamental process issues or contradictions. For example, the website claims "missing easy setup" - while also listing a bunch of things that demonstrate the complexity of their Jira setup.

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tldr: If you're having the issues the author lists, you should probably check your process. Jira is doing you the favor of highlighting where it's broken.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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RT @HackerNewsOnion: California has ruled it illegal to conceal a company’s JIRA subscription for the purpose of attracting engineers. https://twitter.com/HackerNewsOnion/status/98160924222131814...

Do people really avoid companies based on their choice of administrative services?

In my experience, their PM tools tell a lot about the possible complexity/overhead of their process.

Jira and the other behemoths tend to come with a lot of process/formality. Tends to be borderline waterfall.

The lighter-weight tools tend to be used by teams that actually run an Agile process.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

#148
post #32

What is missing in my opinion? It is consistency between the atlassian products and/or adherence of industry “standards” Confluence and JIRA use a different markup language for posts and none of them uses Markdown (in any flavour), which I would also use to write in-code documentation, like in a README file

The larger problem is that you cannot (AFAICT) edit the markup directly in Confluence or JIRA. I believe this used to be possible, but has been removed in the cloud version, and will die with the server version.

The markup you write gets turned into in-editor "objects" (for lack of a better term) as you type it out. This makes editing an incredibly painful experience. I am occasionally asked to document something on Confluence for a client and every time I feel like I am fighting a battle just to make a basic document.

For example, I strongly dislike their implementation of ordered list editing. They have tried to make the ordered list editing mode "smart", but it mostly just gets in the way, and is harder than writing it out manually. Additionally, you cannot embed other "objects" in an ordered list. If you attempt to insert a file object, or something similar, it splits your ordered list into two, with the second list starting its ordering at the beginning. This would seem to defeat the purpose of having a rich editor with embeddable objects, since I cannot use them if I am making an ordered list, such as set of "how to" steps.

I usually give up an hour in and switch to writing in my text editor instead, but even then Confluence will mangle my input in surprising ways when I paste it in. Rule #1 of making an editor in my book is that it has to be, at a minimum, as easy and useful as a basic text editor. Microsoft Word and LibreOffice, in spite of their faults, are quite good at this. I would guess most software shops could not implement a WYSIWYG editor at that level of polish, and they would be better off just providing editable markup.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

#149
post #119

There's a hundred small issues with Jira, but there's one huge one: It's slow. Really, really slow. Atlassian seems to make a lot of money, so I guess they're optimising for something that matters to someone , but from my point of view I have a simple process for evaluating tools: 1) Can I use it at all ? 2) How many of the features I want does it have? I'm pretty sure Jira would score great on the second question, b…

It has that slowness that makes my soul die a little every time I bring up a page, every time I click on a link, every time I make an edit, every time I... What’s the opposite of “delightful”?

Painful?

Re: Why Jira Sucks

#150

To me, what sucks about JIRA (and would suck about any well-designed tool that replaces it) is not "feature x" but the entire JIRA mentality. All of it. It encourages micro-management. It encourages more and more process. It is the enemy of getting better at the DORA metrics, which requires streamlining process. tickets in JIRA are not the work itself, never was and never will be, it is a LARP of the work, but it get…

I agree, but it will never change.

Jira is middle-management-ware, a term I made up (I think) for software that serves the needs of middle management, or, at least, the needs middle management thinks it has, which comes to the same thing as long as you're selling to them.

What are those needs? Metrics. Being able to see who's doing what, and how quickly, and what still needs to get done. Being able to make charts and graphs and summarized reports for the next-higher level of management, so they can say that their team is productive and their team isn't falling behind.

It also serves the needs of the companies, like Adaptavist, which have attached themselves to Jira to sell add-ons and generally bring the state of the software up to where middle managers (in my experience) think it ought to be out of the box.

I could imply that this is deliberate, that Atlassian is Not Adding some features to scratch the backs of those other companies, but That Would Be Wrong, I'm sure.

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