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Post by ianai »

grupthink wrote: post #321
ianai wrote: post #313

I think it’s time to actively challenge the meme of “robots must eventually kill all humans.” The comments are loaded with it. People discuss the singularity as a grave threat. I don’t buy it. I think a truly super intelligence would be more naturally interested in finding ways to work with humanity toward some shared goals. Maybe even care taking obviously otherwise unable creatures. The “kill humans” meme seems lik…

It completely depends on the reward function it's given. It won't give a shit about anything else.

Agree. That’s the part never explored.

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by Ajedi32 »

Strilanc wrote: post #453
Ajedi32 wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "paperclip maximizer" AI is a somewhat more plausible trope, but still feels to me more like a cautionary thought experiment than an actual serious concern. The biggest issue with that trope is that it assumes this one particular AI would be exponentially smarter and more powerful than all the other humans and AIs in the world combined. It's only rational to overthrow humanity to increase the rate of paperclip pr…

Both your arguments so far are standard ones addressed in "Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies" [1]. Sometimes AI progress comes in rather shocking jumps. One day StockFish was the best chess engine. At the start of the day, AlphaZero started training. By the end of the day, AlphaZero was several hundred ELO stronger than StockFish [2]. An entity capable of discovering and exploiting computer vulnerabilitie…

> Sometimes AI progress comes in rather shocking jumps.

Shocking in an academic sense sure, but not in a "revolutionize the world in a single day" sort of way, which is what would be required for the paperclip maximizer scenario to pose a serious threat. AlphaZero was impressive, but not _that_ impressive.

> An entity capable of discovering and exploiting computer vulnerabilities 100x faster than a human could create some serious leverage very quickly

100x faster than any human _and_ any and all previously developed AIs. It would also have to be sufficiently sapient to be capable of contemplating the possibility of world domination, with all the prerequisite technological advancements that implies (likely including numerous advancements in the field of cybersecurity driven by previous generations of AI).

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

riffraff wrote: post #23
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #9

It's so freaky looking at this my brain feels like it's CG, spot in particular. Even though being familiar with Boston Dynamics I know its not. Not sure if its just so unreal, or maybe there's something unnatural in the movement or if some scenes were sped up.

Spot was the least surprising to me, having seen it dance in the past, except the tip toeing bit felt incredibly.. ballet-ish.

I've seen it plenty of times too, I think it's just because it had shiny gloss panels which is very easy to do in CG so it felt more like something I'd normally see in CG.

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by webmaven »

joe_the_user wrote: post #104
bozzcl wrote: post #87

I love how there were people in the upper floor just walking by without even looking. "Oh, the robots are dancing again." In between the advances in "holographic" displays (not quite as sci-fi as we would want, but they are progressing), commercial space flight, cybernetic prosthetics, CRISPR and this... we are living in the future. It's amazing. It makes me a little sad more people are not aware of the ridiculously…

My sister used live next to the Boston Dynamics facility in Waltham. She'd walk her on the nearby river path and generally disliked the way Boston Dynamics would periodically take over the path and keep her from using. Part of the reason the robots evoke little excitement is because after a short look, you can realize they're just large puppets. We've had dancing puppets like Walt Disney's Small World. The reason Bos…

> We've had dancing puppets like Walt Disney's Small World.

With all due respect to Disney's Imagineers and their technical accomplishments, you can't really compare Disney animatronics that are literally bolted to the floor to what's being demonstrated here.

You can compare the animatronic presidents etc. to various industrial robots that are also fixed in place if you like, but the closest Disney equivalent to Atlas etc. are the 'stuntronics' first demonstrated in 2018: https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/28/disney-imagineering-has-cr...

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

tga_d wrote: post #457
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like your brain is looking for the darkest sides of everything. How do you feel about life in general? Are you sure you are not depressed?

Please do not conflate cynicism with depression, or try to diagnose people with medical conditions over the internet.

1) I don't 2) why not exactly? Of course a diagnosis over internet shouldn't ever be taken as a ground truth, but it can many times give meaningful thoughts and provide good perspective and information.

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by webmaven »

la6471 wrote: post #252
bozzcl wrote: post #87

I love how there were people in the upper floor just walking by without even looking. "Oh, the robots are dancing again." In between the advances in "holographic" displays (not quite as sci-fi as we would want, but they are progressing), commercial space flight, cybernetic prosthetics, CRISPR and this... we are living in the future. It's amazing. It makes me a little sad more people are not aware of the ridiculously…

Did you read the comments on the YouTube video itself? Outside this techie HN bubble the real world people think of these robots dancing on their jobs anr lifeless bodies. Forget your home countries , but this is how most people in USA thinks about the technological progress as well. And on top of that I am wondering when AI will be parsing these YouTube comments in another 10 years it will just interpret the massive…

> And on top of that I am wondering when AI will be parsing these YouTube comments in another 10 years it will just interpret the massive hate that the YouTube comments show for robots and AI and don’t be surprised if it sends some rouge instructions to these robots to annihilate human beings in self defense.

Rather than self-defense, I'd expect the first examples of autonomous robot-on-human violence to be at the behest of an overenthusiastic spam filter.

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Post by tripzilch »

la6471 wrote: post #252
bozzcl wrote: post #87

I love how there were people in the upper floor just walking by without even looking. "Oh, the robots are dancing again." In between the advances in "holographic" displays (not quite as sci-fi as we would want, but they are progressing), commercial space flight, cybernetic prosthetics, CRISPR and this... we are living in the future. It's amazing. It makes me a little sad more people are not aware of the ridiculously…

Did you read the comments on the YouTube video itself? Outside this techie HN bubble the real world people think of these robots dancing on their jobs anr lifeless bodies. Forget your home countries , but this is how most people in USA thinks about the technological progress as well. And on top of that I am wondering when AI will be parsing these YouTube comments in another 10 years it will just interpret the massive…

Haven't we learned by now not to take the average vibe of drive-by comments on a random YouTube video as an indicator of anything?

It is (sometimes) different if the comments are from a fan base on an established channel, but that is clearly not the case here.

At very least, you should be aware that is strongly overselects for knee-jerk reactions and people that are in a bad mood.

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Post by intrasight »

pdfernhout wrote: post #460
intrasight wrote: post #446

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> It was kind of sad for me (for a couple of reasons) to see Raibert's dynamic robots immobile This hit a nerve. I was at a CMU event with my daughter a few years back - when she was a member of Girls of Steel. My daughter came and told me excitedly that "my robot was here" and brought me over to where the Terregator was on display. I told the roboticist who was there how exciting it was to see it after thirty years,…

Thanks for the reply. The Terregator was historic in its own way -- as perhaps the first robust outdoors-oriented general-purpose wheeled flexible mobile testbed with an AC gasoline-powered generator capable of supporting a significant computer with an onboard interactive terminal. I remember walking behind the Terregator with Red's brother Chuck and others in Schenley park as people tested road-following (well, park…

Of course I remember Chuck :)

BD is taking baby steps (sorry) towards the consumer market, and that's one reason that I'm rooting for them.

Economic theory may need time to catch up. I have some theories of my own. Let's talk. ShufflePoint.

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