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Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by m0llusk »

denysvitali wrote: post #2

Every bullet point says "Missing...", but I feel like the main issue about Jira is that it has waaay to many features, and that it's super slow! The only bullet point I do agree with, is that Jira is missing an easy (or IMHO a minimalist / simple) interface. The tool is a mess, and the people using it are probably also using it in the wrong way, making the whole situation way worse. Don't get me wrong, I like Jira to…

Sniff around a bit and you will find that what is even worse is why it is slow. Even the most simple operations call out to multiple sites. Quitting Jira requires more than three dozen sites to respond in order to actually work. Jira is an example of just how much the modern APIs are fun yay methodology sucks in actual practice.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by stephen_g »

CraigJPerry wrote: post #58

Unpopular opinion: it doesn’t suck. Let me walk that back a bit - I have no experience of the cloudy version which unanimously seems to be derided as slow. Atlassian - you might wanna fix that. Like yesterday. But server (& datacentre) editions - best in class for my money. In terms of features, the Rally / Agile Central (did that just re-brand again?) rollup roadmap view is the only missing feature i crave. Atlassia…

Server starts heading towards EOL in February 2021 unfortunately. They’ve said that they will support it for three years after that date but you’ll only be able to renew licences (not buy new ones), the pricing is going up and you can’t change tiers.

Datacenter is still supported but I think they’re jacking up the price of that too.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by echelon »

bzb6 wrote: post #59
echelon wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IntelliJ, Clion, and the host of JetBrains IDEs are written in Java, and they're the best IDEs on the planet. Better than VisualStudio. Minecraft Java Edition is fantastic. Java is just a tool. Atlassian isn't a good workshop.

I haven’t used any of those IDEs, but really, is Minecraft your example? A game with graphics so simple it should work on a Pentium 4 but requires a very beefy computer instead because it’s written in Java. They rewrote it (not sure if in C++ or C#) for the windows store and it works perfectly on computers that can barely run the Java version.

You might not be familiar with how modern computer graphics work. Objects and textures are loaded into the GPU and managed with an API like OpenGL and shader programs written in languages such as GLSL. Java, in this case, serves as the engine that ties everything together and runs the core game logic.

Microsoft rewrote it because they're not a Java shop. Microsoft Games Studio not only uses C#, but their mission is to increase adoption throughout the industry as it feeds into Microsoft's ecosystem. Microsoft is about developer mindshare.

C# and Java are incredibly similar languages. They're almost indistinguishable. Pointing to C# as if it's substantially different from Java makes me think you've never used either.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by JosefAssad »

I also have a low opinion of jira, but I don't agree with this list at all. I refuse to use jira because it is over-engineered and is generally used as a crowbar to foist non-technical influence upon technical teams, at least in the sites I've seen. Jira is in my opinion a fatal source of friction to the production of reasonable software.

That's not what I'm getting from this list.

Worse, almost all of the points (all maybe? Haven't checked) declare that something is "missing".

Please god no.

Jira isn't missing more features. When you make a list like this, some product manager at Atlassian is going to turn it into a bunch of scrum epics and jira will be even worse in 12 months.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by veidr »

ngrilly wrote: post #19

Try linear.app and it will clarify why Jira sucks :)

I hadn't heard of this one, so I checked their website.

I found it interesting that the first bullet point (at least when I loaded the site) was:
That indeed is why Jira sucks, in my opinion (and apparently many other people, judging by comments in this thread).

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by bzb6 »

echelon wrote: post #63
bzb6 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t used any of those IDEs, but really, is Minecraft your example? A game with graphics so simple it should work on a Pentium 4 but requires a very beefy computer instead because it’s written in Java. They rewrote it (not sure if in C++ or C#) for the windows store and it works perfectly on computers that can barely run the Java version.

You might not be familiar with how modern computer graphics work. Objects and textures are loaded into the GPU and managed with an API like OpenGL and shader programs written in languages such as GLSL. Java, in this case, serves as the engine that ties everything together and runs the core game logic. Microsoft rewrote it because they're not a Java shop. Microsoft Games Studio not only uses C#, but their mission is t…

I know exactly how it works. Java runs the game logic, and it does so so slowly that the game skips frames. If you’re claiming that the game logic and the code that runs the graphics are completely untied and run independently that’s wrong. The graphics code cannot paint another frame if it does not know where the objects are because the game logic, written in Java, is lagging behind.

C# is much faster than Java. Comparing them in real life performance situations (and not synthetic benchmarks) is almost a joke.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by mongol »

If anything, Jira tries to do too much. It is like Excel, tries to fit every need in its domain. That it still has limits does not mean it sucks. Quite tiring when people reach for that word for nitpicks and personal opinions.

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by emilsedgh »

st1x7 wrote: post #20
jimbob45 wrote: post #11

What would you have us use instead? Trello?

Trello is great for small projects and for personal lists and boards. I certainly wouldn't want to manage a complex project with a large software team from Trello.

What's your threshold for considering a team as large?

Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by [deleted] »

veidr wrote: post #42
denysvitali wrote: post #2

Every bullet point says "Missing...", but I feel like the main issue about Jira is that it has waaay to many features, and that it's super slow! The only bullet point I do agree with, is that Jira is missing an easy (or IMHO a minimalist / simple) interface. The tool is a mess, and the people using it are probably also using it in the wrong way, making the whole situation way worse. Don't get me wrong, I like Jira to…

I think you are right: the SLOWNESS is a killer. In fact, I think it is THE show-stopper flaw. I recently succeeded in an 18-month-long effort to coordinate moving off of JIRA at work. We moved to clubhouse.io and it's been great. We were also looking closely at GitHub Issues + something like ZenHub for the missing project-management features — and that would have been great, too. As soon as we moved off of JIRA, the…

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Re: Why Jira Sucks

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Post by catdog »

denysvitali wrote: post #2

Every bullet point says "Missing...", but I feel like the main issue about Jira is that it has waaay to many features, and that it's super slow! The only bullet point I do agree with, is that Jira is missing an easy (or IMHO a minimalist / simple) interface. The tool is a mess, and the people using it are probably also using it in the wrong way, making the whole situation way worse. Don't get me wrong, I like Jira to…

> Every bullet point says "Missing...", but I feel like the main issue about Jira is that it has waaay to many

It says "missing" but it mostly talks about those existing features lacking any polish.

> and that it's super slow!

It is and it really sucks or to quote Firefox "A web page is slowing down your browser, what do you want to do, wait or stop it".

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