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Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

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Re: Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

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> Five people went to prison. - 34 indicted. - 7 pled guilty. - 5 went to prison. So far. If this was a witch hunt, we found us a coven. [1] https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-g...

Guilty pleas aren't necessarily evidence of guilt. Innocent people can be coerced. Coercive Plea Bargaining Has Poisoned the Criminal Justice System. https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-...

This is a poor argument for white collar crimes.

Re: Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

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I don’t remember Hillary Clinton calling Trump’s election fake in Nov 2016 (she conceded the morning after Election Day). There were no calls from Obama asking state legislators to overturn the results, or for VP Biden to just ignore state results and pick electors himself in Jan 2017 (which is what many Republicans are asking Pence to do next week). Later there was an investigation into Russian election interference…

> Five people went to prison. - 34 indicted. - 7 pled guilty. - 5 went to prison. So far. If this was a witch hunt, we found us a coven. [1] https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-g...

See, that’s another way of disconnecting reality from your wishes. In most countries, determining guilt is the prerogative of the justice system as it used to be in the US. But that has been corrupted. Belief, that there was a witch hunt exceeds the belief, that the justice system is just. Which gives short-term gains for whoever benefits from the former while the latter undermines the society long term. I have no idea, who did what, but I know a country or two, that is strategically interested in undermining the US democracy in the long run.

Re: Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

#53

Considering how many people believe "critical race theory", "intersectionality", and other crackpot conspiracy theories, this doesn't surprise me. "Increasingly, people are willing to say and believe stuff that fits in with their view of how the world should be, even if it doesn't have any basis in reality or fact," That's leftism in a nutshell.

No, it isn't. Your argument is just veiled prejudice to disenfranchise your political opponents, without any basis of facts.

Re: Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

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post #53

Considering how many people believe "critical race theory", "intersectionality", and other crackpot conspiracy theories, this doesn't surprise me. "Increasingly, people are willing to say and believe stuff that fits in with their view of how the world should be, even if it doesn't have any basis in reality or fact," That's leftism in a nutshell.

No, it isn't. Your argument is just veiled prejudice to disenfranchise your political opponents, without any basis of facts.

>No, it isn't.

Yes, it is.

>Your argument is just veiled prejudice to disenfranchise your political opponents, without any basis of facts.

Perfect description of leftism. Love it!

Re: Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

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Many people are presented with 2 alternatives: Alternative A) You are an ordinary person with an ordinary job and ordinary pasttimes. You fulfill your role in society like everyone else. Alternative B) You have an important mission that will change the course of history, to spread the influence of . If you are bored, tired of living a repetitive life and have no purpose in life, Alternative B) sounds fantastic. Now y…

> Conspiracy theories, religious fanatism, extreme nationalism, flat earth societies, sanitary anticompliance (anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers), climate change denial... they all have a thing in common: they are not rational and the people behind them are afraid of rationality and science. Actually, I'd disagree. If you dig in to a lot of these theories, there is a kernel of rationality behind them. Many adherents can act…

All cults and religions are based on flawed logic, justifying and reinforcing its viral load.

Not saying movements don't have some learning and constructive purposes too, but the core of the ideology itself is always full of flawed logic most effective in confusing people.

Re: Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

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Only 72% of Americans trust that their country landed on the Moon in 1969. The Republican Party ought to take a long, hard look at where their campaign against facts is leading them. It’s not even the party of Nixon anymore.

One has nothing to do with the other, but you misspelled the Democrat Party.

Re: Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

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No, it isn't. Your argument is just veiled prejudice to disenfranchise your political opponents, without any basis of facts.

>No, it isn't. Yes, it is. >Your argument is just veiled prejudice to disenfranchise your political opponents, without any basis of facts. Perfect description of leftism. Love it!

Typical rabid dog argument.

Re: Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

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Are you implying only one party engages in this? I could list many conspiracies peddled by the other party but I would be flagged/banned for most. Some less controversial ones might be Trump being elected due to mysterious Russians, and Trump being a secret White Supremacist hiding dog whistles in every other tweet.

"Trump being elected due to mysterious Russians" The FBI and Mueller special counsel report specifically called out an anti-Clinton campaign by the GRU. No one argues that Trump was elected by Russians, only that they did an awful lot to air Clinton's dirty laundry. Seems a tad different than 'Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring in a pizza parlor basement'. But maybe that's just my liberal bias speaking.

I do. I argue he was not, but if you believe in the Russians, surely you beliefs the Chinese elected Biden. Just because you disagree doesn’t make it a conspiracy theory, only your insignificant disagreement.

Re: Even If It's 'Bonkers,' Poll Finds Many Believe QAnon, Other Conspiracy Theories

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post #57

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>No, it isn't. Yes, it is. >Your argument is just veiled prejudice to disenfranchise your political opponents, without any basis of facts. Perfect description of leftism. Love it!

Typical rabid dog argument.

>Typical moron argument.

/r/selfawarewolves

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