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Emotional headlines have an impact regardless of the credibility of the source

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Re: Emotional headlines have an impact regardless of the credibility of the source

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Post by baby »

fabatka wrote: post #44
crmd wrote: post #13

The only solution is not to engage with emotionally manipulative content. Even, for example, with nerdy YouTube channels that I love, if a video shows up in my feed: * with a title $villain $unflattering_third_person_present_verb $something * with the format $hero $flattering_third_person_present_verb $something * a person in the thumbnail making an o-face[1] for any reason Then I simply don’t click on it. [1] https:…

Is there a youtube client (or browser extension) that accepts a whitelist of channels and only shows videos from those? This got me thinking... A browser extension deleting everything from the front page except videos from the given channels might not even be that complicated. Hm, I might end up creating a simple extension like this... Edit: Sorry for being OT

I think this is what we need: plugins that protect users. Allow users to vote against webpages that are too “sensational” or something.

Re: Emotional headlines have an impact regardless of the credibility of the source

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Post by baby »

nillium wrote: post #40

This is why we're building a news platform that sets up a different incentive structure than the current status quo. If publishers aren't desperate for clicks, there is no reason to stoop to outrage porn. https://blog.nillium.com/news-was-never-meant-for-social-pla...

> Yesterday, my cofounder wrote a controversial post on this blog

But to bootstrap your project some controversial posts help right :P?

Re: Emotional headlines have an impact regardless of the credibility of the source

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Post by permo-w »

frongpik wrote: post #39

That's a big reason what makes HN successful: a blanket ban on emotional content. Edit. I've been thinking of an idea that for us knowledge sharing resembles neuron connections, based on my limited knowledge of that topic. Each of us watches a few channels of information and makes a choice to forward/retweet a piece of information so your subscribers would see it, ignore it or block a channel if it sends you bogus da…

If your definition of success is popularity, I think it’s also possibly why HN isn’t more successful.

Emotional content draws people in and keeps them there.

Obviously the kind of people drawn in by that aren’t the desired audience of HN, especially as it doesn’t rely on ad revenue

Re: Emotional headlines have an impact regardless of the credibility of the source

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Post by tayo42 »

frongpik wrote: post #39

That's a big reason what makes HN successful: a blanket ban on emotional content. Edit. I've been thinking of an idea that for us knowledge sharing resembles neuron connections, based on my limited knowledge of that topic. Each of us watches a few channels of information and makes a choice to forward/retweet a piece of information so your subscribers would see it, ignore it or block a channel if it sends you bogus da…

I think this site gets emotional content. It might not be political flame war baiting topics. There's plenty of rust is great, microservices suck, npm continues to be trash, hot new thing considered harmful. Reinforces the my team wins ideas

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Post by wnevets »

crmd wrote: post #13

The only solution is not to engage with emotionally manipulative content. Even, for example, with nerdy YouTube channels that I love, if a video shows up in my feed: * with a title $villain $unflattering_third_person_present_verb $something * with the format $hero $flattering_third_person_present_verb $something * a person in the thumbnail making an o-face[1] for any reason Then I simply don’t click on it. [1] https:…

I had to stop watching Scotty Kilmer because of his thumbnails/titles. At one point it felt like every new video was click baited with him being sent to prison, dying, retiring or being forced to shut down to business.

I'm willing to tolerate the o-face from channels who put out good content on a regular basis tho.

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Post by ReactiveJelly »

frongpik wrote: post #39

That's a big reason what makes HN successful: a blanket ban on emotional content. Edit. I've been thinking of an idea that for us knowledge sharing resembles neuron connections, based on my limited knowledge of that topic. Each of us watches a few channels of information and makes a choice to forward/retweet a piece of information so your subscribers would see it, ignore it or block a channel if it sends you bogus da…

Like a web of trust, but for link recommendations?

Maybe it could work by changing the incentives. If you had a magical perfect AI that was loyal to you and ran on your PC, it would always act in your interest - Spidering the web and returning interesting things based on your feedback. Whereas the current model is, none of this stuff is self-hosted, it has to run on Somebody Else's Computer. SEC costs money to run, so they have to make that money back by tweaking the recommendations, and none of the big ones inter-operate. YouTube will never recommend videos from the Fediverse.

So anything that's not self-hosted (which is just a specific form of a subscription payment, anyway) will never have your best interests at heart, it can only have some of your interests at heart. This same problems comes up in politics - Companies have no interest in creating public goods and we shouldn't expect them to do so.

But anyway, I think this is where some of the good stuff will fall out of AI in the next 10 or 20 years - Having intelligent agents that try to cut through the BS of the web on behalf of their owners.

Re: Emotional headlines have an impact regardless of the credibility of the source

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Post by pksebben »

frongpik wrote: post #39

That's a big reason what makes HN successful: a blanket ban on emotional content. Edit. I've been thinking of an idea that for us knowledge sharing resembles neuron connections, based on my limited knowledge of that topic. Each of us watches a few channels of information and makes a choice to forward/retweet a piece of information so your subscribers would see it, ignore it or block a channel if it sends you bogus da…

I feel that formalizing such a system would make it more vulnerable to market capture - there are powerful entities that spend a lot of money to control influence, and it's always risky to paint yourself as a target.

Any system you create would have to be distributed enough to be resilient to those forces. I'm not naysaying, but this is something I think about a lot and I haven't come up with (or found) a good answer to those problems.

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nerdponx wrote: post #6

The subjects' brain activity was recorded using an electroencephalogram (EEG) while they made judgments about the individuals. Fast, involuntary brain responses can be distinguished here from slower, more controlled responses. The researchers had expected the latter to involve consideration of the source's credibility in addition to emotion, and thus that credibility might factor into people’s judgments, whereas emot…

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Post by jackvalentine »

crmd wrote: post #13

The only solution is not to engage with emotionally manipulative content. Even, for example, with nerdy YouTube channels that I love, if a video shows up in my feed: * with a title $villain $unflattering_third_person_present_verb $something * with the format $hero $flattering_third_person_present_verb $something * a person in the thumbnail making an o-face[1] for any reason Then I simply don’t click on it. [1] https:…

I love this extension for making YouTube less horrible. It removes the thumbnails and returns to 'frame from the video'.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clickbait-rem...

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Post by eddytrex_ »

crmd wrote: post #13

The only solution is not to engage with emotionally manipulative content. Even, for example, with nerdy YouTube channels that I love, if a video shows up in my feed: * with a title $villain $unflattering_third_person_present_verb $something * with the format $hero $flattering_third_person_present_verb $something * a person in the thumbnail making an o-face[1] for any reason Then I simply don’t click on it. [1] https:…

agree with that, I also click on "no interested"
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