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Re: Apple loses copyright battle against security startup Corellium

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Post by enos_feedler »

macintux wrote: post #33
enos_feedler wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think its to double down on controversy but to not be afraid to make product changes they believe in despite the predictable ensuing controversy.

Right. Apple commits to a direction and rarely changes course, which could be perceived as doubling down on controversy if you happen to think their motives are ill. I’ve long felt Apple is a Rorschach test. How you feel about the company and its products often says more about your priorities than the company itself.

Could you give an example of an ill motive?

Re: Apple loses copyright battle against security startup Corellium

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Post by _kbh_ »

zorgmonkey wrote: post #18
viro wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the issues that Corellium allows you to side step the passcode brute force lockout? aka...... https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/the-fbi-is-secr...

It is much more likely that this is based on the secure enclave vulnerability that was found earlier this year and affects devices with a A7 through A11 chip.

I initially thought as such too, but on a previous discussion about this exact issue on hacker news I was linked to this https://securephones.io/main.pdf. Which pretty much says that a lot of your data is just stored unencrypted entirely on the phone, so the FBI is probably just dumping the info without even needing a exploit.

Re: Apple loses copyright battle against security startup Corellium

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Post by fakedang »

enos_feedler wrote: post #51
macintux wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. Apple commits to a direction and rarely changes course, which could be perceived as doubling down on controversy if you happen to think their motives are ill. I’ve long felt Apple is a Rorschach test. How you feel about the company and its products often says more about your priorities than the company itself.

Could you give an example of an ill motive?

Extracting profit under the guise of environmental activism, which actually ends up causing the opposite effect? I mean, the charger fiasco just happened...

Likewise there are many examples of how Apple works against the public interest.

Re: Apple loses copyright battle against security startup Corellium

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Post by webmobdev »

comex wrote: post #3

Here is the actual ruling: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16064642/784/apple-inc-... The judge found that Corellium's use of iOS is fair use, in large part because Corellium's emulator satisfies the "transformative" test and is not a market substitute for normal uses of iOS. Interestingly, he explicitly mentioned Oracle v. Google, where Google's use of Java APIs was considered non-transformative, but distinguis…

Everyone should also know that Apple tried to buy the company first, but when talks failed, sued them. Typically bullying tactics of corporates.

Re: Apple loses copyright battle against security startup Corellium

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Post by ajraus »

Flockster wrote: post #21

And it seems, that Christopher Wade, the cofounder of Corellium received a full pardon by Pres. Trump last week for cybercrime charges. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-pr...

Is it related to the case against his virtualization solution for iOS?

Re: Apple loses copyright battle against security startup Corellium

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Post by macintux »

fakedang wrote: post #53
enos_feedler wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give an example of an ill motive?

Extracting profit under the guise of environmental activism, which actually ends up causing the opposite effect? I mean, the charger fiasco just happened... Likewise there are many examples of how Apple works against the public interest.

When Apple stopped supplying chargers, they also dropped the prices on chargers.

That's the kind of thing I mean: soundbite analysis of Apple's policies makes it very easy to cast them as the big baddies.

Re: Apple loses copyright battle against security startup Corellium

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Post by nirushiv »

apple_innocent wrote: post #29
nirushiv wrote: post #17

On the surface, this is an easy case for Apple. Their argument is simple: iOS is not a licensed product like Windows. You can’t run it - virtualized or not - without Apple’s permission. I do think Apple will win the follow up appeal. For even a billion dollar company (let alone a 2 trillion dollar company), their legal team has had some surprisingly bad failings. I recall another “cupcake” case they lost a few years…

Imagine if software developers were held to this standard. Time to find another team of developers. Imagine if consumers held the billion/trillion dollar companies to this standard. Time to find another OS. Apple's outside counsel do not take anything for granted. Post a link to the "cupcake" case and let's have a look. iOS is a licensed product. The license only allows iOS to be run on a single "Apple-branded" compu…

Unfortunately I don’t recall the name of the patent troll. Is there a place I can search these cases up?

IIRC, Apple’s evidence amounted to repeatedly shouting “they’re obviously a patent troll” (which they were)

Re: Apple loses copyright battle against security startup Corellium

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Post by nacs »

_qcti wrote: post #14
smoldesu wrote: post #5

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What is this supposed to mean? If Apple even tries touching them again, the courts will probably toss out their hearing for fear of double jeopardy. Apple will do the same thing it's always done, which is wince and smile for the camera. Apple might hate emulation of iOS, but they hate controversy even more.

> they hate controversy even more. Did you come from the Berenstein Bears universe? Apple does unpopular things constantly. The iPhone 12 doesn't come with a charger, and you think they're terrified of controversy? Apple's MO is to double down on controversy.

> The iPhone 12 doesn't come with a charger

Both Huawei and Samsung are also not shipping chargers in new models (both of which made fun of Apple for not doing so at first).

Re: Apple loses copyright battle against security startup Corellium

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Post by nacs »

macintux wrote: post #57
fakedang wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extracting profit under the guise of environmental activism, which actually ends up causing the opposite effect? I mean, the charger fiasco just happened... Likewise there are many examples of how Apple works against the public interest.

When Apple stopped supplying chargers, they also dropped the prices on chargers. That's the kind of thing I mean: soundbite analysis of Apple's policies makes it very easy to cast them as the big baddies.

Also Huawei and Samsung are now doing the same thing with no models -- no chargers.

As with most "controversial" things Apple does, like removing the headphone jack, the other companies then follow suit.

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