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Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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Re: Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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It's hard to express how awesome the Mini is. IMO it's an underappreciated technological achievement at the once-in-a-hundred-years level. Only a few years ago, it was hard to get a decent digital camera for $400 and change. The Mini is a decent camera that also happens to fly. When that realization hit me, it reminded me of the first time I saw a $29 DVD player for sale at WalMart. Some incredible things had to happ…

"The BAE drone probably costs $50,000 apiece" That may be a little high. UAVTek's site says they beat the FLIR Black Hornet 3 bid[1]. Estimates based on US Army budget requests say the Black Hornet 3 is coming in between $15k and $16k per unit[2]. Probably still 5 figures though. [1] https://uavtek.co.uk/news/uk-mod-acquire-latest-nano-drone-t... [2] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26359/the-pocket-sized...

In addition you have to think of the trade-offs. If the army multiplied the price by 10 to get 10% better performance, that might save a soldier’s life.

Hmm, shades of Kipling‘s Frontier Arithmetic: “four thousand pounds of education/Drops to a ten-rupee jezail”....

Re: Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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The amount of batteries soldiers need to carry is ridiculous; a 72 hour patrol load out includes up to 25 lbs of batteries already!

Yes but there are no convenient charging points, if the battery runs out then you need to replace it, not charge it. All the more reason to throw used batteries away (they’re cheap and it’s less to carry).

Military radio batteries are typically rechargable and they are heavy.

Re: Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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How many actual historical battles or skirmishes have been fought in gale force winds?

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rise-of-the-machines "If you look at historical data, the vast majority of battle-winners used pre-modern weaponry" "Thanks to the machine-learning algorithms, the robot apocalypse was short-lived"

Can somebody explain what that means in normal English?

Re: Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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Hmm...from a tech porn perspective it’s a cool little gadget. But given the shadow surveillance and police state that was erected post 9/11 and how often “national security” outfits have been caught playing fast and loose with the laws of the land, there is a good chance that bugs like this one will be eventually be used to illegally spy on domestic dissidents and whistleblowers. Governments in most western countries…

Drones are fucking loud, and the video stream can be detected while transmitted via the air (with an sdr card or something similar). Signals can also be jammed, and combined with gps jamming, the drone will "get lost", and probably land at its current location (and hopefully not just drop out of the sky when the batteries are empty).

And this is not james bond level of knowledge and equipment, but something a better ham radio operator or a better engineering student can do with sme preparation.

Re: Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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It feels like they're paying ludicrous money for these. Can someone in the know explain what differentiates these from shop-bought or scratch-built drones? As per this article below, the Nano 1A UAV Quadcopter Bug drone sells for £4,500 (a tenth of the price of another model, the Black Hornet Nano): https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/drone-nano-b... I appreciate that this is probably a variation on the o…

You need to separate R&D amortization from marginal price, otherwise you're deep in "ask a silly question, get a silly answer" territory.

Unless you're DJI the volume isn't high enough to just look at marginal price.

Re: Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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>Governments in most western countries have thrown out habeas corpus and have given themselves the right to indefinitely ‘disappear’ anyone they arbitrarily deem a threat to national security. Julian Assange and Edward Snowden come to mind. Neither of those seem to be examples of habeas corpus being thrown out. Neither were "disappeared" and the court systems were used against Assange and nothing has happened to Snow…

Whoa that's a bit of a US Centric broad brush there. "Most Western Countries" - there's more to the West than the US, UK and less than half a dozenish who have or are doing that. I'm Irish and the vast majority of the EU and other Western Countries (however that is defined) aren't in the business of disappearing people.

US agencies operate in "Most Western Countries".

- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44313905

- https://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP/...

- https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812499752/uncovering-the-cias...

- https://theintercept.com/2015/09/28/death-athens-rogue-nsa-o...

Re: Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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post #94

Is it just me, or does the pictured drone shell look 3d printed? There is for sure money to be made for any (ABCA based) company to sell minorly tweaked clones of popular consumer drones.

You're not kidding, the outershell looks like it has signs of either tool marks or 3dprinting artifacts.

The higher resolution shots on the manufacturer website look more like it's coated with something.

https://uavtek.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Bug-Nano-1A-...

https://uavtek.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Bug-Nano-Ima...

Re: Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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Hmm...from a tech porn perspective it’s a cool little gadget. But given the shadow surveillance and police state that was erected post 9/11 and how often “national security” outfits have been caught playing fast and loose with the laws of the land, there is a good chance that bugs like this one will be eventually be used to illegally spy on domestic dissidents and whistleblowers. Governments in most western countries…

Drones are fucking loud, and the video stream can be detected while transmitted via the air (with an sdr card or something similar). Signals can also be jammed, and combined with gps jamming, the drone will "get lost", and probably land at its current location (and hopefully not just drop out of the sky when the batteries are empty). And this is not james bond level of knowledge and equipment, but something a better…

> And this is not james bond level of knowledge and equipment, but something a better ham radio operator or a better engineering student can do with sme preparation.

I suppose there are not that many engineering students or ham radio operators in the poorer parts of the cities, where I for myself think that these things will first be used internally. At least video-cameras you can try and bring them down with simple rocks [1] or by cutting the electricity down on that pole (that is if they're not battery-powered), not so easy with these type of machines.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=74&v=E1ABR4UpDSU&feature=you...

Re: Bug drone for UK army that weights 196g, has 40 mins autonomy and 2km range

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Governments in most western countries have thrown out habeas corpus and have given themselves the right to indefinitely ‘disappear’ anyone they arbitrarily deem a threat to national security. Julian Assange and Edward Snowden come to mind. Neither of those seem to be examples of habeas corpus being thrown out. Neither were "disappeared" and the court systems were used against Assange and nothing has happened to Snow…

Whoa that's a bit of a US Centric broad brush there. "Most Western Countries" - there's more to the West than the US, UK and less than half a dozenish who have or are doing that. I'm Irish and the vast majority of the EU and other Western Countries (however that is defined) aren't in the business of disappearing people.

> I'm Irish and the vast majority of the EU and other Western Countries (however that is defined) aren't in the business of disappearing people.

True, but that's comparable only if these countries had the same responsibilities (it's like comparing people, say a soldier vs a librarian). Ireland for instance has no Air Force, and has to call on the RAF to provide air defence (as it happened when Russian Tu-95s intruded). Likewise, the rest of Europe relies entirely on NATO's firepower against Russian belligerence.

You can certainly shape a better society internally and have equitable social justice if you're free from the distraction of having to defend against external aggression.

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