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Honest question, please don't snipe at me. Can someone please point me to significant leaks from out of china, russia, iran on wikileaks? Edit: since it appears no one can actually answer this question with an actual answer, and only down vote and troll, I think that probably means wikileaks does not make significant leaks from the military-industrial complexes of China or Russia.
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Again, it's proof of a relationship. His actions via Wikileaks is proof he is a Russian asset. King and Ventura didn't participate in a coordinated attack on American democracy, so your comparison remains useless. > If there was any actual evidence he was a Kremlin agent "why don't spy agencies burn sources and methods to charge Assange with espionage when he's already in prison for other charges?" That's really not…
Publishing reliable information that is politically relevant is not a "coordinated attack on American democracy," it's journalism. The only link you've provided is common between the three of them. >why don't spy agencies burn sources and methods to charge Assange with espionage when he's already in prison for other charges? We already know that all of his communication in the Ecuadorian embassy were tapped for years…
Trying desperately to turn emails (that amounted mostly to dirty laundry) stolen by a government into manufactured scandals and conspiracies the day after the worst revelations about Russia's preferred candidate dropped was not, and is not, journalism. How on earth can you get something so basic wrong?
> We already know that all of his communication in the Ecuadorian embassy were tapped for years, what are they protecting?
Nice little straw man there. We are talking about Assange's official relationship with Russian military intelligence years before he hid in the Ecuadorian embassy. The proof of said relationship, if made public, reveals how Russia was monitored/caught and helps them conceal their future efforts at recruiting assets.
Which is why the "if you have proof why not make it public?" argument in relation to espionage is and always will be a bad faith argument. Snowden did it too. He knows damn well everything he says will go unchallenged, and he uses that silence to his rhetorical advantage.
But you knew all that already.
He makes an important point early on in outlining the mission of Wikileaks centering on making Data and Information freely accessible to all (the concept of Dataism, for those who have read Yuval Harrari’s HOMO DEUS ). However, the processing of Information into Intelligence that can be acted upon is what characterizes Intelligence agencies. Wikileaks does not concern itself with this phase. Yet, the CIA’s Pompeo is…
Also, there is the distinct possibility that it could be compromised by agencies of other states.
I don't think either of those narratives are quite on the mark.
Maybe we'll eventually find out.
I am afraid the real world journalists don't care too much about Wikileak. I am afraid that's how I feel this way. To me, Wikileak is the real meat journalists, no speculation, no opinion, just information, data for people to process. But we don't want it, we want to read tldr;, one sentence is something I am interested to read about a topic. Journalists know that, they rather publish unchecked facts, as long as it g…
I think if you were to ask a journalist, you might get a more realistic answer, and that is they see that the institution itself is probably compromised. Leaked information can still be valid, but as an organization itself they probably don't trust it as being unbiased, or exactly what it says it is.
Integrity is a super important part of journalism, it has to be constantly earned.
He makes an important point early on in outlining the mission of Wikileaks centering on making Data and Information freely accessible to all (the concept of Dataism, for those who have read Yuval Harrari’s HOMO DEUS ). However, the processing of Information into Intelligence that can be acted upon is what characterizes Intelligence agencies. Wikileaks does not concern itself with this phase. Yet, the CIA’s Pompeo is…
> However, the processing of Information into Intelligence that can be acted upon is what characterizes Intelligence agencies. Wikileaks does not concern itself with this phase. Yet, the CIA’s Pompeo is trying to paint a narrative that Wikileaks is doing this by labeling them a “non-state intelligence agency”, thereby justifying the CIA’s actions to attack Wikileaks. Wait, think tanks, all political pundits, every ne…
-Lavrentiy Beria
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> Who did more harm to "liberal democracy", J. Edgar Hoover (who tried to extort MLK into suicide), or KGB? I get this is supposed to be a debate, but the FBI never rolled tanks into Poland or Czechoslovakia. The FBI never annexed the peninsula of a foreign country, then set up fraud elections to make it look organic. Most importantly, the US largely ended it's support of anti-democratic forces post-cold war. The KGB…
> the US largely ended it's support of anti-democratic forces post-cold war Except in Venezuela, Bolivia, the Middle East...
The FBI is doing dirty stuff at home, the CIA does the dirty stuff abroad.
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> the US largely ended it's support of anti-democratic forces post-cold war Except in Venezuela, Bolivia, the Middle East...
> Venezuela Specifically voiced support for the pro-democratic opposition leader that arguably won the election. > the Middle East Supported democratic reforms in Egypt against a long time pro-US dictator in Mubarak. Supported Syria's right to self-determination to the point of fighting with FSA for years. > Bolivia Bolivia is an interesting case, the opposition claimed fraud but i've seen no evidence of it. A black…
[This claim about election fraud is disputed.]
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> someone who has already slyly tried to dismiss the topic as surely a conspiracy theory (the implication being all conspiracy theories are false and/or batahit crazy). The parent is clearly lampooning this perspective, not advancing it unironically. But I can kind of understand mistaking it for the real thing, the insistence on denying the possibility of conspiracies has reached some pretty serious Poe's Law proport…
No. Absolutely not. The incredulity is 100% genuine. Just seeing how everyone reacts looking at and seeing how absolutely fucking insane it is to have the FBI and their powers in a building named "J Edgar Hoover" Someone said the fbi reformed since those days of criminality. Why would anyone believe that while they continue to celebrate J Edgar Hoover. While they go to work to protect the rule of law to a building na…
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Publishing reliable information that is politically relevant is not a "coordinated attack on American democracy," it's journalism. The only link you've provided is common between the three of them. >why don't spy agencies burn sources and methods to charge Assange with espionage when he's already in prison for other charges? We already know that all of his communication in the Ecuadorian embassy were tapped for years…
> Publishing reliable information that is politically relevant Trying desperately to turn emails (that amounted mostly to dirty laundry) stolen by a government into manufactured scandals and conspiracies the day after the worst revelations about Russia's preferred candidate dropped was not, and is not, journalism. How on earth can you get something so basic wrong? > We already know that all of his communication in th…
Nothing you said has any connection to whether it's journalism. He received and published politically relevant information.
>We are talking about Assange's official relationship with Russian military intelligence years before he hid in the Ecuadorian embassy
So based on something he did in 2016, you think that's proof he was a Russian agent from the mid 2000's that the US intelligence agencies just let do whatever he wanted for years. I do not understand that point of view.
> always will be a bad faith argument
The need for intelligence agencies to keep their information secret is not more important than the accused's right to a fair trial.
I also don't have any clue what you think I knew already. I have seen no evidence that Assange or Snowden are foreign agents.
He makes an important point early on in outlining the mission of Wikileaks centering on making Data and Information freely accessible to all (the concept of Dataism, for those who have read Yuval Harrari’s HOMO DEUS ). However, the processing of Information into Intelligence that can be acted upon is what characterizes Intelligence agencies. Wikileaks does not concern itself with this phase. Yet, the CIA’s Pompeo is…