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Re: YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason

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ddevault wrote: post #126
akerl_ wrote: post #117

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At what point in the process of making software does proprietary software become unethical? If I open a restaurant and sell food, but don’t publish my recipes, that isn’t unethical? If I make software, and I choose to offer it for money but not offer the source, what is unethical about my behavior?

>At what point in the process of making software does proprietary software become unethical? The start. >If I open a restaurant and sell food, but don’t publish my recipes, that isn’t unethical? No - this is also unethical. >If I make software, and I choose to offer it for money but not offer the source, what is unethical about my behavior? If software runs on the user's hardware or uses the user's data, I have a rig…

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Re: YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason

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Post by sigzero »

ddevault wrote: post #128
akerl_ wrote: post #127

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I think it’s clear that we have fundamentally differing opinions on what constitutes “ethics”. If I make something, it’s perfectly ethical for me to decide my criteria for giving it to somebody else. If the cost I impose or the restrictions I require are too onerous, nobody is going to agree to enter into a transaction with me. But if they do, they’ve agreed to pay my cost and abide by my terms. The same is true of m…

You're free to sell software at any cost the recipient is willing to pay, at least such that it squares with your concience. However, if you don't sell the source code with it , I consider that unethical. Land is a finite resource with intrinsic value, not the same thing. So is the meal itself. Recipes are different. We have social obligations. That's what being a society is .

No, not even close. It is 100% ethical to sell software but not the source to it. It isn't a social obligation of any kind to do so. You may choose to do so but you can't force that choice on others.

Re: YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason

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Post by gcblkjaidfj »

djsumdog wrote: post #5

Looks like he started a channel on a Peertube server, but it has nothing on it yet. I hope he has a backup of all his videos. ALWAYS HAVE A LOCAL BACKUP of all the content you upload to other services. Facebook is not your photo backup. All your stuff could disappear off Google tomorrow. The cloud is literally someone else's computer. The biggest takeaway for all YouToobers is to organize all their videos in a manor…

On one hand people preach "always have a local backup" and on the other "back ups on google drive is super easy". heh.

i guess we should get ready for next decade hearing a lot of "Have you lost pictures and memories of loved ones on Google Drive or a service affiliated with AWS? We at lawyer & lawyer ..."

Re: YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason

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Post by maxfan8 »

Ruthalas wrote: post #53
ve55 wrote: post #13

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I would go even further: Always have a local backup of anything on the Internet that is important to you, whether you made it or not, unless you know there are many other accessible versions of it for redundancy. You never know when a large company will delete it without notice. (Is this feasible? Perhaps not, but given how cheap storage is, if this could be even semi-automated, it would easily save a lot of heartach…

If you archive youtube content, consider stopping by my discord server. https://discord.gg/EJvS4kf I maintain a list of content that various members have archived, such that if anything is removed, people can direct inquiries to people who have archived that content. It's a small way to keep track of what things have been successfully archived, and direct efforts toward at-risk channels. (You can see the current list…

ArchiveTeam has a larger YouTube archival effort running (on IRC, hackint/#youtube-archive) -- I think the channel list is on the order of tens of thousands. You can email me or ping me on IRC if you want to setup some coordination effort (no sense in doing duplicate work).

Re: YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason

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Post by electro_blah »

_wldu wrote: post #98
R0b0t1 wrote: post #97

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YouTube is free to do what they want but sensible actions should be informed by the law. Currently, you can't be charged with anything for describing how to do something. It goes even further: you can sell a kit with instructions on how to make something illegal and this is perfectly fine.

The channel seemed to be offering links to download pirated software too. If this was occurring, YouTube did the right thing. "Burp Suite v1.7.30 Pro Cracked Version Download Details:- Version:- 1.7.30 Pro License Expires:- Dec 2 , 2018 Size:- 26 MB Download links:- https://drive.google.com ..."

"links to download pirated software" hehe you should look at google

Re: YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason

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Post by markus_zhang »

ve55 wrote: post #13
djsumdog wrote: post #5

Looks like he started a channel on a Peertube server, but it has nothing on it yet. I hope he has a backup of all his videos. ALWAYS HAVE A LOCAL BACKUP of all the content you upload to other services. Facebook is not your photo backup. All your stuff could disappear off Google tomorrow. The cloud is literally someone else's computer. The biggest takeaway for all YouToobers is to organize all their videos in a manor…

I would go even further: Always have a local backup of anything on the Internet that is important to you, whether you made it or not, unless you know there are many other accessible versions of it for redundancy. You never know when a large company will delete it without notice. (Is this feasible? Perhaps not, but given how cheap storage is, if this could be even semi-automated, it would easily save a lot of heartach…

Agreed. Nowadays if I found anything really interesting and not a video I'll just save the while webpage in local. Usually only the texts and pictures matter so when I reopen them the webpages still look OK.

I wonder how to trigger archive.org spiders...

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

hda2 wrote: post #129
AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #19

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> It's not a civilised way to conduct business. It's true, and the way they try to hide this fact is by pretending that the censorship and policy switch-up is done in the name of "anti-racism." YouTube & co could not have been more lucky that an entire segment of the culture came up with the perfect catch-all term to enable them to walk back their horrible business blunders.

> YouTube & co could not have been more lucky that an entire segment of the culture came up with the perfect catch-all term to enable them to walk back their horrible business blunders. I don't think they were lucky at all. There's always a "ism" assholes can hide behind to justify their actions, whether it's Racism, Terrorism, Communism, Nazism... etc. As well as the timeless "Think of the Children" shtick.

Racism is a particularly effective vehicle today, as it deals with conditions common in a globalized society. It has the added bonus of being seen to transcend ideology (in many of the same ways Nazism did in America during WWII). This makes the effects of its invocation extremely fluid and potent throughout the culture.

It's becoming painstakingly difficult to be actively against all of the overwhelming misinformation leveled one's way, because anti-racism's tenants are so easily generalized.

Re: YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason

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Post by njharman »

scrps wrote: post #23

Yet you can browse youtube and learn how to build an AR-15 lower reciever, learn tactical shooting, and knife fighting*... But for the love of all things lawful don't explain a buffer overflow or a side-channel attack. I am not suggesting those videos/channels be banned either just pointing the uneven absurdity of YT's policies.

They’ve issued rules prohibiting all sorts of firearm related content. Firearm and ammunition manufacture is banned. You won’t find build receiver videos any more. And since rules are vague it has chilled much other content. Is replacing hand grip assembly? Is refurbishing milsurp Moses?

Re: YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason

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Post by jarkhen »

giantg2 wrote: post #37
hinkley wrote: post #36

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It's not really backed up if you haven't proven you can read the "backup".

Yep! I had a department head tell me that we shouldn't prioritize a fix for an SQL injection vulnerability (with full schema privileges!) for a critical system because we have a backup service. I then asked if we've tested it - Nope. I then asked if we had documentation on how to do it - Nope. I left that department as soon as I could.

Was there no concern about an attacker being able to -read- the contents, as well?

Re: YouTube removed a Cybersecurity channel without much reason

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Post by saagarjha »

gcblkjaidfj wrote: post #133
djsumdog wrote: post #5

Looks like he started a channel on a Peertube server, but it has nothing on it yet. I hope he has a backup of all his videos. ALWAYS HAVE A LOCAL BACKUP of all the content you upload to other services. Facebook is not your photo backup. All your stuff could disappear off Google tomorrow. The cloud is literally someone else's computer. The biggest takeaway for all YouToobers is to organize all their videos in a manor…

On one hand people preach "always have a local backup" and on the other "back ups on google drive is super easy". heh. i guess we should get ready for next decade hearing a lot of "Have you lost pictures and memories of loved ones on Google Drive or a service affiliated with AWS? We at lawyer & lawyer ..."

You can back up on the cloud and locally.
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