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Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by grupthink » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:12 AM UTC

ianai wrote: post #313

I think it’s time to actively challenge the meme of “robots must eventually kill all humans.” The comments are loaded with it. People discuss the singularity as a grave threat. I don’t buy it. I think a truly super intelligence would be more naturally interested in finding ways to work with humanity toward some shared goals. Maybe even care taking obviously otherwise unable creatures. The “kill humans” meme seems lik…

It completely depends on the reward function it's given. It won't give a shit about anything else.

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by kelnos » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:13 AM UTC

ROARosen wrote: post #287

cromwellian wrote: post #282

Lots of commments on military applications, but bipedal robots are inferior to wheel vehicles, planes, and aerial drones, in terms of speed and maneuverability. Everyone's so afraid of Terminators hunting them down, when in reality, mostly invisible , and mostly silent, Predator drones from a mile away that will kill you with precisely targeted missiles should be your real fear. Or commercial quad-copters carrying an…

A swarm of these can fan out over a house and target very specifically anyone hiding there. Without killing the human shields.

Not unless they can make them significantly quieter. What you don't hear under the music in that video is the robot making an awful lot of noise just moving around. The hostage-takers in your scenario will hear them a mile away.

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:19 AM UTC

29athrowaway wrote: post #45

Powerful people of the wrong kind will love robots. Robots are loyal and will never say no, will never question orders, they can forget anything at anytime. And they can be implemented in a way so that they cannot feel pain or remorse, they cannot be interrogated, cannot serve as reliable witnesses, etc. Shit will happen and it will be noone's fault. They do not have a DNA, they do not have a face or an accent, they…

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Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by andrewem » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:20 AM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #295

tehjoker wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WW2 was bigger. The lack of mobilization is the hallmark of this crisis. The vaccines are the only bright point in sight.

To me, the hallmark of this pandemic was people’s (and Americans’ in particular) unwillingness to act collectively and cooperatively for everyone’s benefit. It was a gigantic game of Prisoners Dilemma, where we could have won with everyone cooperating (masks and staying at home) but people instead chose to defect and go out protesting, refusing the masks, and buying khakis. Here we are a year later , hoping the vacci…

I mostly agree with you. On the topic specifically of whether protests over the summer were a significant factor in spreading the virus, I haven’t seen evidence that’s true. This article is from August so practically ancient history now, but it describes an analysis concluding the protests weren’t a major factor. If there is evidence to the contrary I would love to see it.

https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/08/11/racial-justice-prot...

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by garfieldnate » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:22 AM UTC

Whoever did the choreography for this deserves a lot of credit!

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:24 AM UTC

cromwellian wrote: post #282

Lots of commments on military applications, but bipedal robots are inferior to wheel vehicles, planes, and aerial drones, in terms of speed and maneuverability. Everyone's so afraid of Terminators hunting them down, when in reality, mostly invisible , and mostly silent, Predator drones from a mile away that will kill you with precisely targeted missiles should be your real fear. Or commercial quad-copters carrying an…

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Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by Ajedi32 » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:30 AM UTC

colordrops wrote: post #258

st1x7 wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> don’t be surprised if it sends some rouge instructions to these robots to annihilate human beings in self defense. It sounds like a absurd joke I know but for some reason it seems to me one of the many possibilities. It sounds like science fiction. It's hard to emphasize enough how far the current state of AI is from what you're describing. I would be surprised if in 10 years we have a remote idea of how to build w…

What about 30 years? 50? 100? Is that too far out to worry about?

In my view the biggest issue with the whole "robots unite to violently overthrow humanity" trope isn't its technological infeasibility (though it _is_ technologically infeasible for the forseeable future), but rather the fact that it presupposes an AI that is essentially human; with all the same emotions, goals, and vices that a human would have.

There's no reason to think a hypothetical future AGI would care in the slightest about its own survival, let alone be both egotistical and spiteful enough to hunt people down based on idle comments they made on YouTube decades ago. There are so many unfounded assumptions about the way AGI would work inherent in such a hypothetical scenario that it's hard to take seriously as anything other than a sci-fi plot device.

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by saalweachter » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:33 AM UTC

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #65

So what's the main barrier to using these industrially? Is it reliability? Did this video a zillion takes? Is it manufacturing? Maybe it's hard to scale them up? Is it battery life? Maybe it can power itself for just a few minutes? Is it object manipulation or sensing/world understanding? Maybe it can't apply the right forces to a soft thing or a flexible thing or know what it can step on vs over or what will move or…

> Is it object manipulation or sensing/world understanding? Maybe it can't apply the right forces to a soft thing or a flexible thing or know what it can step on vs over or what will move or stay still?

Did you notice the robot's hands? Or, you know, lack thereof?

These robots are impressive, amazing and advanced ... but they are demonstrating mobility, not utility.

If you want your robot to really replace people, it needs amazing hands. Also amazing visual processing, but there's a lot of work being done there by the autonomous vehicle people, and I'm not sure who is currently leading the pack on hands.

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by nmfisher » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:35 AM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #138

It's hard to believe that they were acquired for 'only' 1.1B, given the valuations we have seen of many other companies recently.

I'm not defending recent tech valuations (which I agree are ludicrous), but it's worth remembering that technological superiority != commercial value. It doesn't matter how good you are at building a technically complex product if there's no market for it.

Judging from the comments in this thread, the value proposition for BD is still very unclear. Bi/quadriped robots are - currently, at least - an expensive solution to a problem that no-one really has.

Investing in BD is a gamble that they'll be able to carve out a profitable niche some time in the future. The valuation has to reflect that uncertainty.

Re: Do You Love Me? [video]

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Post by ve55 » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 2:36 AM UTC

nmfisher wrote: post #329

ve55 wrote: post #138

It's hard to believe that they were acquired for 'only' 1.1B, given the valuations we have seen of many other companies recently.

I'm not defending recent tech valuations (which I agree are ludicrous), but it's worth remembering that technological superiority != commercial value. It doesn't matter how good you are at building a technically complex product if there's no market for it. Judging from the comments in this thread, the value proposition for BD is still very unclear. Bi/quadriped robots are - currently, at least - an expensive solution…

That's correct, but the pattern of 'we know you are not profitable now, but perhaps you will be sometime later, and we are long-term players' is still very prevalent, but hasn't been extended to BD as much here as some may hope.

While I can't argue they are actually worth much more, I think I do feel a bit of an 'I wish cool hardware got as much hype and attention as software' lament in general.