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Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor in China

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Re: Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor in China

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Post by swordsmith »

quasse wrote: post #249
throw_m239339 wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm amazed the world isn't taking more action on China. Its quite sad really, 20 years ago, any one of the headlines from this year would have prompted sanctions and denunciations... I don't think so. Nothing happened with Tibet, or after the Tiananmen Square event AFAIK. 20 years ago, the people that signed all the trade deals with countries such as China claimed it would lead to improving democracy and human righ…

> the republic of China has never been more autocratic This is a more nuanced issue than it might seem in some ways though. I have some first hand experience since many of my coworkers are native Chinese living in different parts of China. Trade has enabled the growth of a previously non-existent middle class in China and they have started to assert political power in ways not immediately apparent to Westerners. One…

> American treatment of South American migrants

Migrants, or illegal immigrants?

Re: Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor in China

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Post by fsflover »

simonh wrote: post #344
diebeforei485 wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, Apple also has a lot of information on their website and it's also worth looking at: https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/ They also have annual reports for the past few years just about this.

And Apple are also the highest rated tech company by Greenpeace for environmental issues after Fairphone.

That's quite strange given what they have been doing with repair:

http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-airpods-repair-recycling-imposs...

https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/apple-sues-canadian-recyc...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18144489

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Post by baybal2 »

Have anybody noticed how this topic mysterious lost few hundred points, sank to second page, and then came back to front?

There is a noticable tendency for any China related topics, whether good, or bad to mysteriously disappear from the front page right at the start of the workday Pacific time, and after lunch hours.

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Post by DevKoala »

baybal2 wrote: post #453

Have anybody noticed how this topic mysterious lost few hundred points, sank to second page, and then came back to front? There is a noticable tendency for any China related topics, whether good, or bad to mysteriously disappear from the front page right at the start of the workday Pacific time, and after lunch hours.

I can attest to that. Any critic of the CCP tends to sink out of the first page in a matter of minutes. It looks like a concerted effort.

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Post by swordsmith »

baybal2 wrote: post #81
LatteLazy wrote: post #12

I'm amazed the world isn't taking more action on China. Its quite sad really, 20 years ago, any one of the headlines from this year would have prompted sanctions and denunciations...

> I'm amazed the world isn't taking more action on China. Its quite sad really, 20 years ago, any one of the headlines from this year would have prompted sanctions and denunciations... Why would world politicians take any actions against China when so many of them do have a finger in the honeypot themselves? Invalidate stock shares* of all companies who made untold billions on China, and you will see that a huge doub…

> The one sole reason the West was so eager to jump on the China train unlike any other broke harebrained communist country was because China went from the start to openly bribing Western elites.

This is very accurate. Recent example is the implied Biden family in CCP's pocket [1][2].

[1] Prof. Di Dongsheng's national televised speech that has since been taken down: https://youtu.be/aeegrkPx0xE [2] https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/6/16084...

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baybal2 wrote: post #453

Have anybody noticed how this topic mysterious lost few hundred points, sank to second page, and then came back to front? There is a noticable tendency for any China related topics, whether good, or bad to mysteriously disappear from the front page right at the start of the workday Pacific time, and after lunch hours.

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Re: Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor in China

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Post by mgh2 »

baybal2 wrote: post #453

Have anybody noticed how this topic mysterious lost few hundred points, sank to second page, and then came back to front? There is a noticable tendency for any China related topics, whether good, or bad to mysteriously disappear from the front page right at the start of the workday Pacific time, and after lunch hours.

Yes, it looked like censorship/manipulation, but HN explained it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25570247

I suspect a bias towards Apple though...

Note: I highly appreciate the work of the moderators in keeping HN objective, but it is not perfect- humans are naturally biased so this is to be expected...

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Post by Causality1 »

baybal2 wrote: post #453

Have anybody noticed how this topic mysterious lost few hundred points, sank to second page, and then came back to front? There is a noticable tendency for any China related topics, whether good, or bad to mysteriously disappear from the front page right at the start of the workday Pacific time, and after lunch hours.

Pay attention for a while and you'll notice there's quite a list of topics and positions that are verboten,either because they have a personal army who care about them or there's a finger on the scale.

For example, lightly and generally criticizing China will get you a lot of upvotes. Criticizing China in specific ways and proposing strategies of action will get your comment down voted and flagged.

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Post by boruto »

DevKoala wrote: post #454
baybal2 wrote: post #453

Have anybody noticed how this topic mysterious lost few hundred points, sank to second page, and then came back to front? There is a noticable tendency for any China related topics, whether good, or bad to mysteriously disappear from the front page right at the start of the workday Pacific time, and after lunch hours.

I can attest to that. Any critic of the CCP tends to sink out of the first page in a matter of minutes. It looks like a concerted effort.

I seriously do not think that is the case.

I don't know if everyone is paranoid or I am wrong.

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Post by nobody9999 »

mgh2 wrote: post #443
nobody9999 wrote: post #416

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>Analogy: I hate Google's business model, but I still have to use their products for lack of better alternatives. I'm curious, which Google product must you use that has no reasonable analog from a different vendor? I'm not being snarky here just a little confused. I suppose Android could fall into that definition, although LineageOS[0]+MicroG[1] do provide a reasonable alternative. My question isn't rhetorical. I'm…

The obvious one, the search engine... due to its accuracy and speed. No wonder their monopoly lawsuit.

>The obvious one, the search engine... due to its accuracy and speed. No wonder their monopoly lawsuit.

As a general rule, I don't use the search engine. And not just because of Google's market power. It's also because the quality of search results have dropped enormously.

At this point, other search engines are at least as good, IMHO.

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