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More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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Isn’t it strange how the only way to eat healthy food in America is to cook it yourself? Every fast food restaurant is unhealthy. Most sit down restaurants are unhealthy. I can pay someone to change my oil, I can pay someone to cut my grass, but for some reason cooking healthy food, the most essential service, is difficult to find. Why has our economy failed us in this sector specifically?

Lack of demand I'm guessing. Within cities it's much easier to find healthier food at restaurants.

I am on a high protein diet. I can find "healthy" choices in local SF restaurant, but its rare to find food with enough protein to meet my needs.

Even "healthy" restaurants sneak in sauces and sweet drinks or don't accurately measure their ingredients (and thus correctly report calories).

Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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Using the BMI to gauge obeseness of a population is very lazy and disingenuous.

The irony of the BMI is the more I workout to stay in the healthy range, the more difficult it is to stay in the healthy range. Best bet is to sit around not eating anything to be 'healthy' according to BMI.

True, I started weightlifting for three months and my BMI went into overweight territory. I had an athletic build both before and after. Probably good for a lot of people but weightlifting really puts it into question.

It's not like weightlifting is something only few men can do; most men can weightlift. Then they end up having healthy body fat levels, but end up with BMI in the overweight category. If something as simple and straightforward as weightlifting messes up a measure, then it's not a good measure.

Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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Isn’t it strange how the only way to eat healthy food in America is to cook it yourself? Every fast food restaurant is unhealthy. Most sit down restaurants are unhealthy. I can pay someone to change my oil, I can pay someone to cut my grass, but for some reason cooking healthy food, the most essential service, is difficult to find. Why has our economy failed us in this sector specifically?

> I can pay someone to change my oil, I can pay someone to cut my grass, but for some reason cooking healthy food, the most essential service, is difficult to find.

> Why has our economy failed us in this sector specifically?

Because it's incredibly inefficient for a chef to cook a meal for a family, because people want their food to arrive warm, thus preventing factory-food-production, because delivery is expensive, because everyone has a refrigerator, thus making cooked-to-order food have compete on price with long-shelf-life refrigerated staples, and because people vote with their wallets by buying food that tastes good, as opposed to food that's healthy.

Do you know what makes food taste good? Sugar, fat, salt, and alcohol. Do you know what's not healthy for you? Sugar, fat, salt and alcohol. [1]

The other problem is that a lot of Americans don't know how to eat well - because eating well is a skill that you inherit from your parents. If your parents were feeding you crap food as a kid, you'll turn into an adult that craves that same crap.

There's a huge class divide, here. My parents were immigrants with lower-middle-class means, but upper-class habits. As a kid, soda was a treat for me. Soda was a staple for my lower-class friends - which was not by their choice, but rather by choice of their parents. They grew up into adults with bad diets, bad teeth, and bad overall health, and they find it really, really hard to change what they eat.

This sort of thing repeats, generation after generation.

[1] Yes, I'm aware that fat and salt aren't unhealthy in themselves - but are probably unhealthy in the amounts we consume.

Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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Isn’t it strange how the only way to eat healthy food in America is to cook it yourself? Every fast food restaurant is unhealthy. Most sit down restaurants are unhealthy. I can pay someone to change my oil, I can pay someone to cut my grass, but for some reason cooking healthy food, the most essential service, is difficult to find. Why has our economy failed us in this sector specifically?

Most every fast food restaurant has reasonably healthy food that few people order. Mcdonalds has chicken burgers. Everywhere has salads (albeit fewer than in 2019 because of food handling concerns in 2020).

Subway caters to this heavily in their marketing. You can easily put together a cheap sub with whatever macro/micronutrient combo you want.

Also, most supermarkets have a hot prepared food section with very healthy cheap pre-prepared food. Again... few people take advantage of it.

Outside of food deserts (which yes, do exist) it's really not hard to find healthy cheap prepared food if you want it. But nobody does.

Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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BMI isn't a reliable indicator to gauge obesity. For example, Tom Brady at 6' 4" and 225 lbs is considered overweight, which is obviously not the case. That being said, as an American, it really did shock me how fit the majority of people were in Italy when I visited there for the first time last year. This New England Journal of Medicine chart really does a good job of showing that America has gotten heavier over th…

For a population study BMI is fine, elite NFL players aren't going to move the needle.

Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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BMI isn't a reliable indicator to gauge obesity. For example, Tom Brady at 6' 4" and 225 lbs is considered overweight, which is obviously not the case. That being said, as an American, it really did shock me how fit the majority of people were in Italy when I visited there for the first time last year. This New England Journal of Medicine chart really does a good job of showing that America has gotten heavier over th…

A professional athlete doesn't need a simple metric to understand if he's at his ideal weight. It's part of his job. The general public do need a simple metric which covers 95% of the population. BMI is that.

Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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Isn’t it strange how the only way to eat healthy food in America is to cook it yourself? Every fast food restaurant is unhealthy. Most sit down restaurants are unhealthy. I can pay someone to change my oil, I can pay someone to cut my grass, but for some reason cooking healthy food, the most essential service, is difficult to find. Why has our economy failed us in this sector specifically?

Chipotle?

Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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BMI isn't a reliable indicator to gauge obesity. For example, Tom Brady at 6' 4" and 225 lbs is considered overweight, which is obviously not the case. That being said, as an American, it really did shock me how fit the majority of people were in Italy when I visited there for the first time last year. This New England Journal of Medicine chart really does a good job of showing that America has gotten heavier over th…

BMI isn't a reliable indicator go gauge obesity FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON. I would think most of us agree that the people like Tom Brady, Dwyane Johnson (the rock), or competitive body builders would be extreme ends of this scale.

For average people BMI is a reliable indicator.

Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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Using the BMI to gauge obeseness of a population is very lazy and disingenuous.

Yeah I came here to say the same thing. I’m 6’8” and if I were within the suggested range, I would be 227 pounds. I’ve been that weight and when I look at pictures of myself at that weight, I always think I look dangerously thin. BMI is a far too simple a measure to be helpful.

BMI is an absurd measurement for people whose height is outside a small range. See, for example, https://people.maths.ox.ac.uk/trefethen/bmi.html

Re: More than 73% of American adults are overweight or obese

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Is "healthy at every size" still a fringe movement, or is it gaining more social acceptance?

"Body positivity" is -- inadvertently for the most part -- insidious. Of course, don't make fun of overweight people for being overweight, don't be an asshole. However, making people people believe that they can eat whatever they want, can be obese and still healthy doesn't help at all. It might make you feel nice, but it is very destructive and unhelpful in the long run.
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