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Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

#21

Well, I mean, we have a critical shortage of airline flight capacity right now, so of course they had to. Oh, wait...

The 737 Max does not provide additional capacity, it provides cheaper capacity. It has modern engines that use less fuel and wouldn't fit on the existing lineup. Right now the ability to cut costs at the cost of a few hundred passengers a year is probably the kind of news the airlines need to keep investors happy.

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post #4

So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored? ( https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/22189609/faa-boeing-737-... ) To quote: ""Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the re-certification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes. ""

I would have preferred Boeing to be required to redo the test, and be dinged by the airlines for the delay, just to make it clear that this sort of nonsense is not tolerated.

The fact is, however, that everyone going into the test was aware of what the issue was, so it could only give information about best-case response times (which is not useless information, at least if done on suitable simulators.) For a while, every Max pilot is also going to be primed about this issue.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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post #4

So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored? ( https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/22189609/faa-boeing-737-... ) To quote: ""Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the re-certification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes. ""

I was not planning to fly on a 737 Max for at least a few years without crashes, just because there's no point taking what still seems to be a risk when there are so many alternatives.

Reading the Verge article and the senate report findings (linked in laydn's comment) just confirms that there is still cause for caution.

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#25

In a few months time, it will be interesting to see the data showing the differences in bookings for 800-Max vs other planes. I imagine many people will try to avoid the Max and book other planes.

Not everyone feels that the Maxes will still be significantly more risky than the alternatives. I suspect that risks from other factors dominate, and few people choose not to fly if the weather is bad. It would probably be more useful to know how long the flight crew has been on duty, or where the airline gets its maintenance done, than what airplane is being used.

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#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't appear to be true? https://ibb.co/sWTWsnb

Maybe depends on what data the airline provides or desktop vs mobile https://ibb.co/3pdMY7m

Do you have a "before" screenshot to show it used to show this information with mobile? I didn't remember seeing it on mobile before, but again I don't really use it frequently.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

#28

In a few months time, it will be interesting to see the data showing the differences in bookings for 800-Max vs other planes. I imagine many people will try to avoid the Max and book other planes.

I doubt this will be a factor. Some people will care but most people will continue to be unable to tell the difference between an Airbus and a Boeing and generally not have type numbers, incident history, etc. memorized. Most of the bad press is already ancient history for the general public.

Of course, there's not a lot of flying happening currently anyway. So, good moment to do this. By the time traffic picks up again, the fixed model will have months/years incident free flights behind it.

But I agree, it will be interesting of the general public cares at all for anything else than $/flight, which is the reason why cattle class is a thing: people are happy to sacrifice comfort, dignity, etc. to save a few dollars on a flight.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

#29

In a few months time, it will be interesting to see the data showing the differences in bookings for 800-Max vs other planes. I imagine many people will try to avoid the Max and book other planes.

The problem is that carriers don't "marry" equipment to itineraries at booking. You could book something that was theoretically planned for one variant of plane, and then delays or mechanical issues happen and end up on something else.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

#30
post #15

I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/Max etc

You can avoid the airlines that fly the Max altogether. Unfortunately it looks like Delta is the only major US airline that does not own any. Spirit and JetBlue also do not have any. United, American, and Southwest all operate the Max. I would avoid those airlines for routes that could be serviced by the Max.

Is there a listing or database somewhere where I could look up other airlines? There's a few more regional and discount airlines I'm curious about.
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