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Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

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Re: Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

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The writing style is awesome, I literally laughed out loud. Beyond that, the article reminds us that in every industry there are powerful actors that protect their monopoly, and will coerce the government into helping them. I read an article about import taxes on sugar that were created to keep out competition, and as a result everything uses corn syrup. Other examples abound. Unfortunately, the solution of governmen…

Your sugar example is not a good example because the US setup a mandate to be totally food supply independent after the Dust Bowl/famine in the early part of the last century. So foreign sugar sources, like any major staple, are heavily tariffed.

That’s not the history I’m familiar with regarding sugar tariffs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-18/u-s-su...

It’s very amusing to me that the US subsidized domestic sugar production, and then also pays for diabetes and it’s related healthcare costs.

I’m confident that the future will look back and determine sugar to be one of the most costly habits of people.

Re: Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your sugar example is not a good example because the US setup a mandate to be totally food supply independent after the Dust Bowl/famine in the early part of the last century. So foreign sugar sources, like any major staple, are heavily tariffed.

That’s not the history I’m familiar with regarding sugar tariffs. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-18/u-s-su... It’s very amusing to me that the US subsidized domestic sugar production, and then also pays for diabetes and it’s related healthcare costs. I’m confident that the future will look back and determine sugar to be one of the most costly habits of people.

You linked to an opinion piece that doesn't cite anything.

It criticizes that there are broad staple food import tariffs, but does not discuss the purpose of these policies, which is national food security.

The US has not experienced a food shortage, despite the normal incidence of crop failures in over a hundred years.

The fact that Americans suffer from food oversupply is absolutely a first world problem.

Re: Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

#184

I have never had bucatini, but of course thanks to this article now it's all I want.

I'm Italian, but I've never been that partial to bucatini, I'm more in the spaghetti or rigatoni camp myself. My niece would kill for them, but I think that her being seven and liking "strange pastas" like ruote and such has something to do with it.

Re: Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

#185
post #179

The writing style is awesome, I literally laughed out loud. Beyond that, the article reminds us that in every industry there are powerful actors that protect their monopoly, and will coerce the government into helping them. I read an article about import taxes on sugar that were created to keep out competition, and as a result everything uses corn syrup. Other examples abound. Unfortunately, the solution of governmen…

I had the very opposite reaction. The snobbery of “the only pasta worth eating”, which is an insult to the diversity of Italian cuisine, deflated me right at the start. I know it’s supposed to be funny, but also that there is a hint of self-deprecating truth to it... think I’m getting old.

I also hugely disliked the style and tone of the article. I finished it thinking "well, I guess anyone can call themselves a journalist nowadays". The humor was out of place too, just coming across as snobbish most of the time, even though I can tell what the author is doing. It's just....too much.

But hey, other people like it so who am I too judge ;-)

Re: Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

#186
Semi related: there was a major shift in pasta market during 2004 EU extension. To comply with EU regulations, companies from newly joining countries had to invest large sums to switch to a different type of wheat to keep producing. Malma (biggest Polish pasta company) took a big credit for this, unfortunately they took it in a subsidiary of an Italian bank, whose CEO was also a chairman of Barilla. The bank soon demanded instant full repayment of the credit, which bankrupted Malma.

Big Pasta is as bad as any other big industry.

Edit: as the comment below says, there were other factors at play around same time (reduced demand from Russia and interest rates spike) contributing.

Re: Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

#187

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What do you think "access" looks like? There is no "big pasta". There's like a handful of companies[1] that make it all. I'm sure the execs all own yachts but if you were to compare executive fleet displacement it's more of a Venezuelan navy than a French navy. They can't just call up their lobbyist who's already scheduled to golf with a congressman every other weekend and tell them to bring it up on their next trip.…

It's small relative to other industries but its still a multi-billion dollar industry. Each of the largest companies will have PR agencies, personal contacts within the FDA, revolving door of staff between the FDA and the corporates, positions on standards committees, board members who have spent a life time in food safety governance. I'm sure many of these manufacturers are the largest employers in some congressiona…

> but its still a multi-billion dollar industry

There's 330 million people in the US. Everything the average person spends six dollars a year on is a multi- billion dollar industry.

>Each of the largest companies will have PR agencies, personal contacts within the FDA, revolving door of staff between the FDA and the corporate, positions on standards committees, board members who have spent a life time in food safety governance

Think about how many people someone will work with and befriend over a lifetime. You're pretending that's a high bar when it's a low bar.

>The same complaint from a small company will never get the same attention.

You should go to the NPA's website (linked in TFA, you have exolymph's comment to thank for prompting me to look it up), go to the membership directory and start looking up these pasta companies before you run your mouth. While many of the companies are wholly owned subsidiaries or larger more mainstream food brands but none of them seem to exceed the BLS definition of medium sized. If the FDA enforcement action unfolded the way we are all assuming it is then that would seem to indicate medium-smallish companies do have their legislator's ear (or they just tipped off the FDA directly and then just kept following up until the FDA was annoyed enough to do something).

Edit:

Here's Medallion Foods, Virginia Park foods which seem to be among the biggest (ballpark estimate based on facility sized and value of what's in the parking lot) and one in Montana that I thought was cool because they had the street named after them. All these companies seem to have their office location the same as their manufacturing location so it's kind of hard to get a sense of scale.

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.0889449,-122.3631175,3a,75y,...

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0173065,-117.3829804,3a,75y,...

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5168777,-111.2619547,3a,75y,...

> A competitor breached a pointless regulation[1] from the last century which has prevented their product from being sold for a year.

>[1] Many of these food regs are designed to enrich staple foods that were the main source of nutrients for low income families. That's just not an issue anymore and just prevents (high quality) imports.

The last century was 20yr ago. HN would be out for blood if someone was caught importing completely functional catalytic converters or bicycle helmets that didn't meet some irrelevant to performance nuance of the law. HN is sympathetic in this case because the product in question is an upscale-ish pasta. If regulations on some ingredient were being manipulated in a way that was only affecting production of cheap lite beer we'd be reading through several hundred snarky comments about how this is a good thing.

Re: Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

#188

What are Bucatini? At my place, they have Spaghetti/Spaghettini, Linguine (more porous), Macheroni (pre-cut tubes with large holes to suck up sauce), Penne/Rigatoni/Parpadelle (for Carbonara), Fusilli (or the slightly smaller Girandole) with a lot of surface for Goulash-like sauces, Farfalle (for soups), and German-style pasta like Bandnudeln (Penne with eggs), Schupfnudeln and Spätzle/Knöpfle though the latter are s…

It's one Italian kind of pasta, I think there are more noodle shapes in our country than stars in the sky, probably. Even the lousiest supermarkets in Italy generally have a pasta aisle that's at least 10 metres long.

Re: Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

#189
I just used some bucatini when making Cacio e Pepe last night.

I have been able to purchase the store brand of bucatini at my local Harris Teeter without interrupt this past year. The brand is Private Selection. I don't know who makes it for them but it is imported from Italy. Harris Teeter is owned by Kroger and my understanding is the brand is available across all the Kroger owned grocery chains.

Re: Why Is There a Bucatini Shortage in America?

#190
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good point though. Why/how is something unsafe for an American, but safe for an Italian or Spaniard? Differing regulations and standards between countries usually makes no sense and just harms the consumer. How is a Volvo made for the Swedish market unsafe on Canadian roads? EU and Canada recently signed a trade agreement so that they won't tariff eachothers' cars, but consumers still can't buy a car from a Eu…

Different product, but eggs make an interesting example of why: Both USA and UK markets take steps to avoid salmonella. The method the USA requires the eggs to be refrigerated, the method the UK uses effectively requires that they are not (at least not until you get them home, once you start you can’t stop). https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/09/11/336330502/wh...

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