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Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by elorant »

sedatk wrote: post #136

I'm more interested in the lifetime of the medium. Durable backup media for consumers is still a holy grail as I understand. M-DISC didn't hold up to their 1000 year lifetime promise. Archival-grade DVD's are also not good enough as I understand. Syylex went bankrupt. I want a consumer-grade backup medium that can provide at least a 100 years of lifetime. That said, I was able to recover 90% of the voice recordings m…

The lifetime of the medium is half the equation. The biggest problem imho is the lifetime of the device. Say I give you an old floppy drive for 8" floppies from the seventies. Where would you connect it?

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by ajnin »

fernly wrote: post #99

Aw, c'mon chaps! Can we just admire the tech for a second? > Data on the tape is stored at a record-breaking density of 317 gigabytes per square inch... > When tape is being read it is streamed over the head at a speed of about 15 km/h and with our new servo technologies we are still able to position the tape head with an accuracy that is about 1.5 times the width of a DNA molecule.

> 15 km/h

The tape stores 580TB for a length of 1255m, does that mean the read speed is 580TB/1255m*15km/h = 1.9TB/s ? Seems too high.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by y04nn »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #67
pizza234 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 12 TB HDD requires 10 GB/day for three years to be filled. This is not home market, it's professional market or hoarding (by today's standards). Objections on the failure rate of HDDs are absolutely valid, but then one should also need to consider the bigger picture (e.g. storage loss), in which case, having a remote copy is also important.

> 12 TB HDD ... This is not home market, Indeed. The home directory on my PC at home has 80GB of files stored. Most of it is just there out of laziness. About the only thing I try to keep backups of are my tax returns. What do people have on a home machine that needs enterprise-grade backups? You might say photos and videos. I guess that's a personal thing; I realized a long time ago that I never spent any time actua…

Photos, videos, music, but also current laptop backups, servers/VMs backups, current and past phones backups and HDD images of past computers hard drives (to be done), digitized family videos and photos (also to be done).

It adds up quite fast. And being able to have put everything on a tape every year with a label on it would give me some peace of mind, even more if I place 2 of them on different location.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by throwaway201103 »

LASR wrote: post #110
ashton314 wrote: post #83

I remember watching the pilot episode of Star Trek (the original series) and chuckling when Spock reports that “the tapes are badly damaged” from the capsule they recovered near the barrier at the edge of the galaxy. Turns out it might not be that outdated after all.

About a month ago found a stack of MiniDV tapes from about 15 years ago. It was my own home videos. I wanted to preserve them, so wanted to upload them to Google Photos. It took me some looking around in eBay to find a camcorder to play these back. When it came home, I realized that I needed a FireWire 400 port to capture full resolution. So more digging around for a FireWire PCI-E card. I was finally able to transco…

> found a stack of MiniDV tapes from about 15 years ago ... I wanted to preserve them

Here's where I raise my hand and ask "Why?"

They've been sitting in a box for 15 years. You never watched them, you never even thought about them. Why preserve them?

It's why I stopped taking pictures and videos of things. I never watched them again. It's all just a lot of waste motion over some dream that someday we'll find value in sitting and looking at this old stuff again.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by cm2187 »

sedatk wrote: post #136

I'm more interested in the lifetime of the medium. Durable backup media for consumers is still a holy grail as I understand. M-DISC didn't hold up to their 1000 year lifetime promise. Archival-grade DVD's are also not good enough as I understand. Syylex went bankrupt. I want a consumer-grade backup medium that can provide at least a 100 years of lifetime. That said, I was able to recover 90% of the voice recordings m…

Given the pace at which storage capacity increases, what is the rationale for not copying over your data every 5-10 years onto the next cheapest consumer mass storage of the moment? You get all your data in one place and you don’t have to deal with standards disappearing (I read 2020’s game consoles can’t read CDs anymore, people should rip their CD collection right now).

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by cm2187 »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #154
LASR wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About a month ago found a stack of MiniDV tapes from about 15 years ago. It was my own home videos. I wanted to preserve them, so wanted to upload them to Google Photos. It took me some looking around in eBay to find a camcorder to play these back. When it came home, I realized that I needed a FireWire 400 port to capture full resolution. So more digging around for a FireWire PCI-E card. I was finally able to transco…

> found a stack of MiniDV tapes from about 15 years ago ... I wanted to preserve them Here's where I raise my hand and ask "Why?" They've been sitting in a box for 15 years. You never watched them, you never even thought about them. Why preserve them? It's why I stopped taking pictures and videos of things. I never watched them again. It's all just a lot of waste motion over some dream that someday we'll find value i…

Some things only get interesting with time. How young we looked. How different the city looks now. Or people who disappeared.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by xahrepap »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #154
LASR wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About a month ago found a stack of MiniDV tapes from about 15 years ago. It was my own home videos. I wanted to preserve them, so wanted to upload them to Google Photos. It took me some looking around in eBay to find a camcorder to play these back. When it came home, I realized that I needed a FireWire 400 port to capture full resolution. So more digging around for a FireWire PCI-E card. I was finally able to transco…

> found a stack of MiniDV tapes from about 15 years ago ... I wanted to preserve them Here's where I raise my hand and ask "Why?" They've been sitting in a box for 15 years. You never watched them, you never even thought about them. Why preserve them? It's why I stopped taking pictures and videos of things. I never watched them again. It's all just a lot of waste motion over some dream that someday we'll find value i…

For me it’s personal history. My kids LOVE watching videos of me and my wife when we were younger. Luckily for them, my wife’s family converted all their videos to digital and so it’s easy to watch.

I’m itching to do the same to my parents’ collection so my kids can see more.

I suspect their kids will enjoy the same.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by nichch »

sedatk wrote: post #136

I'm more interested in the lifetime of the medium. Durable backup media for consumers is still a holy grail as I understand. M-DISC didn't hold up to their 1000 year lifetime promise. Archival-grade DVD's are also not good enough as I understand. Syylex went bankrupt. I want a consumer-grade backup medium that can provide at least a 100 years of lifetime. That said, I was able to recover 90% of the voice recordings m…

Is there a source regarding M-DISC being unable to hold up to their lifetime promise?

A quick google search brings up amateur-ish blog posts, and even those co sign the medium.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by Max_aaa »

cm2187 wrote: post #155
sedatk wrote: post #136

I'm more interested in the lifetime of the medium. Durable backup media for consumers is still a holy grail as I understand. M-DISC didn't hold up to their 1000 year lifetime promise. Archival-grade DVD's are also not good enough as I understand. Syylex went bankrupt. I want a consumer-grade backup medium that can provide at least a 100 years of lifetime. That said, I was able to recover 90% of the voice recordings m…

Given the pace at which storage capacity increases, what is the rationale for not copying over your data every 5-10 years onto the next cheapest consumer mass storage of the moment? You get all your data in one place and you don’t have to deal with standards disappearing (I read 2020’s game consoles can’t read CDs anymore, people should rip their CD collection right now).

The time needed to actually do the copying.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by jtxx »

throwaway2245 wrote: post #91
jtxx wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it just means the person has the ability to purchase. They could be purchasing it for themselves or on the behalf of another organization.

I accept that, in a literal sense. I was attempting only to answer the question and explain the source of confusion. In native English speech, it would usually be expected that a business-case purchasor would speak of a more general case, perhaps by using "we".

Ah - I took the question as saying “I did nothing to indicate the sort and could in fact be purchasing for a business”, so I was trying to explain that side!
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