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Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by dijit »

vondur wrote: post #4
dijit wrote: post #2

Great, so when can I buy one and how much will the tape drive cost? The largest issue with tape is that the drives themselves cost absurd amounts, and you better not cheap out because failure is both time consuming and scary. Swapping tapes continues to be human intensive and restore times long. But the tapes themselves are so cheap that at this scale it becomes worthwhile again.

This is geared for enterprise settings, not home use. I believe someone mentioned these drives costing $25,000. I do agree reasonably priced tape drives with TB of space for home users would be great.

What makes you think I meant home use?

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by chrisseaton »

Tokkemon wrote: post #35
chrisseaton wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I store on an external HD, and every year I buy a new HD and copy across to it and verify checksums against my records. Costs basically zero and low-effort. What am I missing?

Normal people don't know what a checksum is.... or they think that's the amount their paid every week from the bank.

The checksum isn't the relevant bit. That doesn't change whether you use a hard drive, a tape, or a DVD. Forget about it as part of the discussion if you want.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by chrisseaton »

centimeter wrote: post #40
chrisseaton wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because simple and manually inspectable is better for backups.

What do you do if you find a checksum error? ZFS mirror will fix it for you.

What do you think I do? Copy from the last good copy.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by krick »

Invictus0 wrote: post #33
jariel wrote: post #3

We reached an inflection 'amazing!' point when we are able to put '100 songs in your pocket'. That was really a shocking thing given the limitations of CD/Tape etc.. But the real inflection point may come when 'all relevant information in your local disk'. The tapes here in question can maybe store every book every written! We may be able to put the entirety of Wikipedia, every film, TV Show ever made, every book eve…

The entire libgen archive is roughly 50 terabytes (most of the books ever written). It will be a very long time before we reach that level of storage in a phone.

To be fair, libgen has a lot of PDFs. Libraries in fb2 or such are orders of magntitude leaner.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by systemvoltage »

webmobdev wrote: post #5

That's good. But when will it ever move out of the enterprise market? What I really want is an affordable Tape storage for us common folks / home users to archive data long term. It's really a pain to keep transferring your old backups every 2-5 years to a new CD / DVD / portable HDD. There is a market for home users that really don't want to put their data on the "cloud". And this generation is really creating so mu…

AWS Glacier?

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by aidenn0 »

jariel wrote: post #3

We reached an inflection 'amazing!' point when we are able to put '100 songs in your pocket'. That was really a shocking thing given the limitations of CD/Tape etc.. But the real inflection point may come when 'all relevant information in your local disk'. The tapes here in question can maybe store every book every written! We may be able to put the entirety of Wikipedia, every film, TV Show ever made, every book eve…

Copyright is a barrier to that.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by monocasa »

webmobdev wrote: post #5

That's good. But when will it ever move out of the enterprise market? What I really want is an affordable Tape storage for us common folks / home users to archive data long term. It's really a pain to keep transferring your old backups every 2-5 years to a new CD / DVD / portable HDD. There is a market for home users that really don't want to put their data on the "cloud". And this generation is really creating so mu…

So having worked in the tape library space, they don't really make sense for home users.

They say that they have a 50 year lifespan, but everyone in the industry knows that's a blatant lie these days. The tape customers transfer everything over to the new generation every 2 to 3 years, so it's never tested and none of the customers really care.

You also only get a couple hundred writes to a tape in it's lifetime. That includes bulk appends as the stress from seeking is a major factor of what kills them. They really need to be treated as WORO media, bulk, the whole 12TB or what have you at once. Not a great fit for home use.

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

avdlinde wrote: post #7
jariel wrote: post #3

We reached an inflection 'amazing!' point when we are able to put '100 songs in your pocket'. That was really a shocking thing given the limitations of CD/Tape etc.. But the real inflection point may come when 'all relevant information in your local disk'. The tapes here in question can maybe store every book every written! We may be able to put the entirety of Wikipedia, every film, TV Show ever made, every book eve…

Love that last line! Wonder what will happen drm wise in the future if we get to this point.

Buying something would just transfer the encryption key

Re: Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terabytes

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Post by cameronh90 »

Invictus0 wrote: post #33
jariel wrote: post #3

We reached an inflection 'amazing!' point when we are able to put '100 songs in your pocket'. That was really a shocking thing given the limitations of CD/Tape etc.. But the real inflection point may come when 'all relevant information in your local disk'. The tapes here in question can maybe store every book every written! We may be able to put the entirety of Wikipedia, every film, TV Show ever made, every book eve…

The entire libgen archive is roughly 50 terabytes (most of the books ever written). It will be a very long time before we reach that level of storage in a phone.

Only because we changed the goalposts. My 2007 iPod has more hard drive space than my current phone, but it was slow noisy disk storage.

Meanwhile my phone's storage is basically now just a high speed cache for the internet.

Whether it will go back the other way again in the future, I don't know if anyone can know but tech does tend to be cyclical.

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