Does the broadcast ID include location like ADS-B? Also, is it in the clear? If so, I see both fun and trouble ahead.
FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people and at night
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Re: FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people and at night
#62The final rule looks to be a big win for everyone who was protesting the original proposed rule: "The final Remote ID rule eliminates the requirement that drones be connected to the internet to transmit location data; the final rule requires drones to broadcasts remote ID messages via radio frequency broadcast." This is great because RF broadcast-based Remote ID is much simpler and cost-effective to integrate into ex…
I haven't followed drone stuff closely in a while. any idea how this affects an older drone like a DJI spark that wasn't designed with these requirements in mind? is it just impossible to fly legally now?
These requirements won't affect a DJI Spark for at least another 2.5 years, by which point hopefully DJI will have a retrofit solution.
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#63Whenever I encounter people flying drones - for example at the park - I find it highly obnoxious. The buzzing of their rotors is noise pollution that ruins the peace of a park/natural area, and while I recognize the right to record in public spaces, there’s something especially creepy about a drone flying along a jogging path near you armed with the latest 4K cameras. I think drone enthusiasts don’t understand how th…
Honestly this just sounds like NIMBY. First there are loud drones and quiet drones, noise pollution can be regulated. Next the video from a drone for spying on a woman jogging is nothing compared to someone with a decent DSLR with a telephoto that makes zero noise. And third drone deliveries could have airspace carved out that avoids residential or places that would annoy people. Now that said some people are obnoxio…
I had a neighbor hover a large, very noisy drone over my wife who was working in her backyard garden, out of sight from said neighbors, who were piloting from the house across from me. She was terrified. There easily could have been a large escalation. After my intervention it hasn't happened again, but the sort of judgement that leads to the stupidity in the first place, in my experience, cannot resist the lure to offend again, especially if the bad judger has been drinking.
I read the blithe attitude in comments like these, and I am sure there will be large escalations in the future. FWIW, in AZ, this behaviour appears to be legal.
Re: FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people and at night
#64The final rule looks to be a big win for everyone who was protesting the original proposed rule: "The final Remote ID rule eliminates the requirement that drones be connected to the internet to transmit location data; the final rule requires drones to broadcasts remote ID messages via radio frequency broadcast." This is great because RF broadcast-based Remote ID is much simpler and cost-effective to integrate into ex…
I haven't followed drone stuff closely in a while. any idea how this affects an older drone like a DJI spark that wasn't designed with these requirements in mind? is it just impossible to fly legally now?
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Re: FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people and at night
#65Does the broadcast ID include location like ADS-B? Also, is it in the clear? If so, I see both fun and trouble ahead.
I wish drones could, at least optionally, transmit on ADS-B, with some "drone" flag. That could help pilots with ADS-B IN a lot, as long as it was clearly indicated as a drone.
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No matter what, there will be consequences for DIY/hobby aircraft, just because cost/weight/complexity are critical factors in a small drone. Most of the planes I fly now are wood/cardboard with a few dumb electrical components. Adding any component will make it harder for newcomers to enter the field. The FAA has decided that unregulated drone flight is an issue, and no matter what, they're going to tackle it. So I'…
I’ve already had a drone hovering outside Daughters bedroom window. Some people have very different concerns about accountability of drones.
I’ve already had a drone hovering outside Daughters bedroom window.
A couple of years ago, a guy up the street got a "drone" for Christmas, and spent the next couple of weeks flying into the backyards of everyone on the block, presumably to look in the windows or see what else he could get away with. I don't know why he thought that was a good idea, especially since the thing was noisy as hell.
It stopped suddenly. I don't know if someone called the police, or hit it with a tennis racket, or what. But by Saint Valentine's Day he was back to racing his remote controlled cars up and down the block, instead.
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I’ve already had a drone hovering outside Daughters bedroom window. Some people have very different concerns about accountability of drones.
The need for regulation and education around proper usage of consumer drones is definitely clear, as shown by your (and many other people's) experience! Most enthusiasts would agree that a solution is needed. Most drone incidents have been untrained or reckless operators piloting a DJI drone somewhere they shouldn't. Most of the concern with proposed Remote ID regulations was because 1) The regulation didn't actually…
People do not need educating not to spy on teenage girls with drones, they do not need training to not do it.
Re: FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people and at night
#69Anyone want to bet in what capacity this will be used for (police) surveillance ? Especially since Alphabet and Amazon are involved.
Police forces have been using drones for surveillance since at least 2017, including beyond line of sight flights at night. https://whitmancountywatch.com/2019/11/07/pullman-police-fli... It seems that these regulations are focused on permitting private commercial flights similar rights.
Thats exacly my point; when the police is under increased public scrutiny this type of dodgy shit gets offloaded to the private sector with little to none public interest of oversight.
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As a pilot, the dynamics of flying for money are very different than flying for fun or personal reasons. The pressure to make the flight in marginal conditions, or push separation to get the shot, or otherwise just generally fly closer to the limits is real and significant. Adding money (and presumably third parties) totally changes the nature of the operation.
Hence even pilots need a commercial license to do paid aerial photography. The thing that bothers me about that is the scenario where pictures are taken for fun, but later what if someone were to offer money for them?
In such cases it’s normally intent that matters. A lot of laws are based around intent, which might seem like a huge issue but that’s why terms like ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ are used.
If you’re regularly selling photos from your regular drone flights then that’s hard to argue about. But a once off because you happen to take a news worthy photo is another story.