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Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

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Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

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Taxing unoccupied homes and apartments will fix things real fast.

It's such a simple solution which would never pass almost anywhere in the world

Netherlands had laws discouraging speculators and hoarders from keeping empty homes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting_in_the_Netherlands

Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

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Both. I spent the last decade having these conversations with people who also grew up here and can’t afford to remain here without staying with their parents, with some of the stranger conversations devolving into my counter parties brainstorming ways to kick tech people out of the City and stop new people from moving in altogether, as if freedom of movement in the United States wasn’t really a thing. It’s not “suppl…

> freedom of movement in the United States To the extent that this means the freedom of poor people to get out of the way of rich people, you can see how some would not be excited. SF's black population has fallen by half in recent decades, for example. Honestly, the geographic narrowness of the tech boom has always been weird. At the same time we've been selling the limitless power of the Internet to connect people,…

It means government authorities don’t have the authority to restrict people from moving in if they are US Citizens or otherwise in the country legally certainly not on the basis of whether they were born, grew up in the City or based on the type of job they have and its location.

An HOA might, I’m not too familiar with them, but as I understand it even they have legal limits on the restrictions they can place on people moving in, so maybe not. Someone else would have to chime in on that one.

Agreed otherwise.

Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

#123

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What should we do robbyt?

Taxing unoccupied homes and apartments will fix things real fast.

How would that be done? If an address wasn’t claimed for a personal tax return for an owner or tenant, it gets a big tax bill?

Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

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Having lived on another island, with the same woes of SF (limited land, high growth), the problem is always the same - even though it's been on a much smaller scale. The people that have owned for the past 30-50 years, are completely unwilling to give up on their single family homes, gardens, etc. They basically demand to live a nice and cushy suburban life, in the middle of a big city. It then takes forever to build…

> unwilling to give up on their single family homes I think that expecting people to "give up their homes" is more than unreasonable. The reasonable compromise being that builders can build in more densely once the current owners sell it.

I think the point is: what if they don't sell it, at all?

Kids move out of the house, parents retire at 65 and live to 85+. That's 20 years, a whole generation.

Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

#125

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What should we do robbyt?

Taxing unoccupied homes and apartments will fix things real fast.

You mean add additional taxes? Presumably they are already taxed.

Does SF have homestead property tax exemptions? Where I live property taxes are quite high, unless the property is owner occupied. The second homes and rentals subsidized the taxes of those who live here.

Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

#126

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Taxing unoccupied homes and apartments will fix things real fast.

It's such a simple solution which would never pass almost anywhere in the world

It's already passed in SF for retail [1] and other areas for non-retail.

Further, the revenue from that tax could be used to fund public housing to further drive down housing costs.

[1] https://www.bookweb.org/news/san-francisco-approves-vacant-p...

Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

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But they are using land productively as they are making $3100 a month off of a small studio. Also I doubt if raising taxes will result in anything more than them passing that cost on to the renters.

Raising taxes on the land owner will result in increased rents. Land owners are not in the business of giving money away.

Land owners are not in the business of giving money away. That's precisely why increased taxes will not result in increased rents. After all, if they could increase rents and the market would clear it when there's a tax, why wouldn't they when there's no tax?

They're not selling at cost-plus, they're trying to maximize profit.

Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

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What should we do robbyt?

Public housing projects.

You know, it's been a while since I left Potrero Hill, but I think that I heard the feds had taken over the public housing projects on the south side (you know, back where OJ Simpson grew up) because they were basically uninhabitable. What's the status on that?

But you know, that's last generation projects. What's the status on today's "affordable housing" projects? Oh, you say it costs $750,000 in construction costs alone for an "affordable" 2BR apartment? Oh dear me, that's rather ridiculously steep, isn't it...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/us/California-housing-cos...

Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

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But they are using land productively as they are making $3100 a month off of a small studio. Also I doubt if raising taxes will result in anything more than them passing that cost on to the renters.

Raising taxes on the land owner will result in increased rents. Land owners are not in the business of giving money away.

If the market will bare $3,100 for an apartment, then land lords will only get $3,100 for an apartment, regardless of the taxes owed.

Re: Average Rent in San Francisco Has Dropped $1k This Year

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Both. I spent the last decade having these conversations with people who also grew up here and can’t afford to remain here without staying with their parents, with some of the stranger conversations devolving into my counter parties brainstorming ways to kick tech people out of the City and stop new people from moving in altogether, as if freedom of movement in the United States wasn’t really a thing. It’s not “suppl…

It's all but illegal to build new or higher density housing in SF. We need to start electing people who will actually embrace or at least allow construction. This is what it's like: "San Francisco Man Has Spent 4 Years and $1 Million Trying to Get Approval to Turn His Own Laundromat Into an Apartment Building" https://reason.com/2018/02/21/san-francisco-man-has-spent-4-...

I agree.
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