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Re: Mono Developers start their own company

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Not to mention that Mono can be used to push developers toward Windows and the official .NET Framework, and in fact has.

Which is exactly why some of us are reluctant to cheer Mono on, no matter how dedicated and talented the Mono team might be.

Agreed - My feeling has always been that Microsoft would weakly support the "toy" effort on other platforms and then encourage/threaten people to deploy to a "real" platform when the time comes.

Re: Mono Developers start their own company

#52
post #35

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Novell had already dumped millions in to it How do you know that?

In terms of developer salary alone I have no doubt Novell has put millions of dollars in to Mono with no real obvious profitable products.

Besides the contracts with Unity, several game developers on the PS3 and Wii, EA, and others. Besides the MonoTouch and MonoDroid projects. Besides the support to other products like iFolder and Linux desktop apps they released. Besides the various support contracts Novell received for Mono from various companies. Besides the embedded licenses Novell scored to license Mono for things that were incompatible with the GPL runtime....

Nope... no real profits.

Re: Mono Developers start their own company

#53
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I am confused by this. If attachmate let go of Mono developers clearly it felt the product has not been profitable and won't be any time soon. What investor with a sound mind would feel otherwise? Novell had already dumped millions in to it and look where they ended up.

The profile of a successful product is very different at a startup than it is at a large or medium-sized company. This is an important reason why startups exist.

Re: Mono Developers start their own company

#54
You know, I was an early skeptic of Mono. After all, what use is a copycat technology stack?

I'm later to admit how wrong I was. Suddenly mono was deploying into iOS, Android and places where the existing developer ecosystem couldn't have otherwise.

A hearty congratulations and wish you all the best. You deserve it.

Re: Mono Developers start their own company

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post #32

I am confused by this. If attachmate let go of Mono developers clearly it felt the product has not been profitable and won't be any time soon. What investor with a sound mind would feel otherwise? Novell had already dumped millions in to it and look where they ended up.

I'm not sure you can make this assumption. Attachmate seems most interested in cutting Novell down to the bone and extracting whatever value it can from what is left. I don't see a whole lot of future growth opportunity from that company in the long term. Just because Mono is not necessarily profitable now doesn't mean that it couldn't be cultivated into a profitable company later. Mono seemed to be recently finding its niche with its Unity (games) licensing and its MonoTouch and Mono for Android products.

(Disclaimer: I used to work at Ximian and Novell with Miguel & others, and contributed some to Mono in the early days.)

Re: Mono Developers start their own company

#56

Has something happened since Apple implemented the no interpreters rule? Didn't Apple outlaw MonoTouch?

Thank you for asking this. I came here to ask it. I'm not sure why you were downvoted for it (I assume that's why the comment has been dimmed). Sometimes I don't think I recognize HN. It's a shame, and I hope it doesn't keep you from asking questions here.

Re: Mono Developers start their own company

#57
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MS should support them with some funding.

Giving the Mono guys $50 million seems like a no-brainer investment to me. This is particularly true since MonoTouch directly helps bring apps to WP7. It would also help their cloud efforts. The future is heterogeneous, and while Mono can already handle that there's too much FUD.

> MonoTouch directly helps bring apps to WP7

Particularly if it means there could be one platform on which to write apps for both WP7 and Android.

I doubt Ballmer would go for it. He probably still thinks "Linux is a cancer" and a threat to be destroyed, whereas in fact the threat to MS is more from Apple.

If I was running MS I'd use the disquiet Oracle has created in the Java world by pushing for .NET/C# to replace Java as the standard OS-neutral run-anywhere platform.

Re: Mono Developers start their own company

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post #44

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Yea, it was all about trying to screw Adobe.

Why specifically were they trying to screw Adobe?

Flash Player for iOS sucks. But Apple doesn't want developers to forgo developing native apps while waiting for Flash to improve, so they just banned it. It's a clean break.

Re: Mono Developers start their own company

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post #56

Has something happened since Apple implemented the no interpreters rule? Didn't Apple outlaw MonoTouch?

Thank you for asking this. I came here to ask it. I'm not sure why you were downvoted for it (I assume that's why the comment has been dimmed). Sometimes I don't think I recognize HN. It's a shame, and I hope it doesn't keep you from asking questions here.

Thanks. People can downvote stuff for silly reasons here, but I've found it's usually pretty easy to know when to take the downvotes as a badge of honor, and when to take them as a genuine learning experience.
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