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Reverse Engineering the Source Code of the BioNTech/Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine

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Re: Reverse Engineering the Source Code of the BioNTech/Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine

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Richard Feynman once said:

Poets say science takes away from the beauty of the stars - mere globs of gas atoms. I too can see the stars on a desert night, and feel them. But do I see less or more?

This article was fascinating to read. The deep understanding in genetics, biology, engineering, etc..., and all the work from thousands of people that ultimately culminated in the production of this vaccine, illustrates how beautiful science is.

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Since the sequence is available, does this mean I could pool some money with some friends and buy a dna sequencer and start printing my own vaccine?

you could get a long way, but it would be extremely dangerous. The real problem is making the vaccine.. and ONLY the vaccine :-) And not inject random bacterial stuff that you used along the way.

Re: Reverse Engineering the Source Code of the BioNTech/Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine

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Nice article. There are more interesting things to say about RNA that makes it a bit less like code - for example that it too can fold to a 3d structure, with some cases that can cause problems - hairpins for example where the sequence is palindrome-like (in the complementing letters) ACG followed by CGU can fold onto itself. This caused the problems with the initial batch of CDC's PCR tests

Re: Reverse Engineering the Source Code of the BioNTech/Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine

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Amazing read. Leaves me with wondering how do we make sure the sequences injected with the vaccine are exactly the same sequences that are described. Do they have some kind of verification method that there was no encoding errors and they won't inject some random sequences? Also what's the risk of this erroneous sequences to be harmful?

The futurologist in me imagines prescriptions containing RNA sequences which you get to the nearest pharmacy to 3D print the drug. Future of the medicine looks more exciting than ever.

Re: Reverse Engineering the Source Code of the BioNTech/Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine

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Great post! A non-technical detail that the post misses is the human story here. Katalin Kariko, the biochemist that pioneered the idea of delivering vaccines in mRNA form, got nothing but rejections for her grant applications for this very idea and was eventually demoted from tenure track at U Penn. Whatever you think of this, it's a misleading understatement to describe it as: > As with other fundamental scientific…

There is a common thread in many discussions (esp. on Reddit) creating a false dichotomy between the greedy private sector and the taxpayer-funded basic research that comes with all the important new ideas.

While not an entirely false picture, the real situation is far from that clear and scientific struggles of Katalin Karikó, who finally left the academia for private sector (she is now a vice president in BioNTech, one of the vaccine-producing corporations) is an illustration of the perils of the contemporary grant systems.

Truly revolutionary concepts are often indistingushable from bullshit. At least from the grant committee point of view. Your best chance to snap up a grant is to come with a project of marginal improvement that produces one or two papers in a reliable timeframe.

Marginal improvements have their indisputable value, but they mostly appeal to risk-averse people; whoever wants to work on something really outlandish, must rely on other sources of financing, often private. After all, there is a risk of utter failure = not producing even that one paper that is, these days, a basic unit of wealth in the Publish-or-Perish world. Or of a delay that breaks the original time plan.

Re: Reverse Engineering the Source Code of the BioNTech/Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine

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post #33

Nice article. There are more interesting things to say about RNA that makes it a bit less like code - for example that it too can fold to a 3d structure, with some cases that can cause problems - hairpins for example where the sequence is palindrome-like (in the complementing letters) ACG followed by CGU can fold onto itself. This caused the problems with the initial batch of CDC's PCR tests

as I understood it from the "universal table for mapping RNA codons to amino acids" one can encode the same information differently. So is it just possible define the information you want to encode and use a computer to calculate the correct encoding so that things don't get tangled up?

Re: Reverse Engineering the Source Code of the BioNTech/Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine

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post #33

Nice article. There are more interesting things to say about RNA that makes it a bit less like code - for example that it too can fold to a 3d structure, with some cases that can cause problems - hairpins for example where the sequence is palindrome-like (in the complementing letters) ACG followed by CGU can fold onto itself. This caused the problems with the initial batch of CDC's PCR tests

as I understood it from the "universal table for mapping RNA codons to amino acids" one can encode the same information differently. So is it just possible define the information you want to encode and use a computer to calculate the correct encoding so that things don't get tangled up?

Yes. Codon optimization is a routine procedure when designing genes and is mentioned in the article. Methionine and tryptophan, however, cannot be optimized since they only have one codon each.

Re: Reverse Engineering the Source Code of the BioNTech/Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kudos for the fascinating article. Since you mentioned security, and the well known trick of sending an ambiguous message that is interpreted differently by different interpreters, I wonder what you might think of enlisting the hackers of the world to help in viral research. Seems as though adversarial thinking skills could come in handy?

I definitely think the computing / information security mindset is relevant and applicable to computational biology. There are sadly structural reasons why the crossover is very hard. I spent 18 months at a university doing this kind of research but it is not a natural fit. Also, I do have to tell you, I spent 10 years studying this stuff before I became useful to the field. So you don't just jump in there :-)

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. You read my mind.

I would be happy to devote 10 years (or a lifetime for that matter) to bring the fields to bear on one another, sounds super interesting.

As others have already noted, most work at the "intersection" of the domains is currently superficial, say designing support software as opposed to actually hacking on the genetic code.

Could you go into more detail about the structural reasons that prevent a clean mapping? Can you think of ways to lower the barrier so as to engage more people? Do you see problems that are relatively easy to export?

An example of exporting problems, in this case from digital pathology, is the Camelyon challenge, which brought machine learning to bear on cancer detection. Hype aside, the important aspect is that researchers working to segment images and train neural networks did not have to have a biochemistry background, nor understand cellular functions and provenance, nor understand staining protocols. A clean export.

I am basically looking for a "biocrackme" that is relatively self contained.

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