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Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by bigbubba »

numair wrote: post #133

It’s as though someone watched an action movie and thought, what if we get rid of the need to cut the comms in the building itself, and if we chose a time and day when nobody would show up: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xLcHPsWK5xg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jrA-1cG_wq4 This is a scenario that is in like pretty much every action heist movie ever. Except the movies have super-dramatic bad guys who blow their own co…

Covering for your crime by committing a far more severe crime seems like a pretty bad idea... though I think there is no shortage of criminals with bad ideas, so this seems at least plausible.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by bronco21016 »

ideophobia wrote: post #148

Considering the FBI recently foiled a plot by a group who was planning to "take out" parts of the energy grid, it seems likely from my experience that this is another set of people executing a similar plan targeting telecoms. I imagine there is a high probability of more incidents like this happening between now and the inauguration, meant to target various infrastructure and "big government" components throughout th…

The only thing you’re missing in your plot is encrypted messengers that can’t be cracked without sweeping legislation.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by olefoo »

ideophobia wrote: post #148

Considering the FBI recently foiled a plot by a group who was planning to "take out" parts of the energy grid, it seems likely from my experience that this is another set of people executing a similar plan targeting telecoms. I imagine there is a high probability of more incidents like this happening between now and the inauguration, meant to target various infrastructure and "big government" components throughout th…

What we're seeing is a "stochastic insurgency" where loosely affiliated groups and individuals conceive, plan and execute infrastructure attacks and targeted assassinations. Relatively little operational coordination; but lots of online showing support and post-crime support.

I hope all congressional representatives and local government officials are reviewing their safety plans.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by anonymouse008 »

ideophobia wrote: post #148

Considering the FBI recently foiled a plot by a group who was planning to "take out" parts of the energy grid, it seems likely from my experience that this is another set of people executing a similar plan targeting telecoms. I imagine there is a high probability of more incidents like this happening between now and the inauguration, meant to target various infrastructure and "big government" components throughout th…

Do you have a link for the FBI prevented plot?

Edit: thank you (both)

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by jcims »

mech422 wrote: post #141
elmo2you wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I'm only speculating, it could be quite possible that whoever may have wished to damage or destroy the AT&T building, seriously underestimated what these kind of buildings can take (essentially being disguised bunkers). This certainly wasn't a small explosion, from the looks of it. But taking out a bunker .. unless you have access to weapons specially build for that purpose, good luck. That AT&T still went down…

yeah - as I commented elsewhere - mcveigh did a whole lot more damage with presumably less explosive (van vs. rv) This really sounds like people playing with stuff they have no understanding of.

This looked way too bright/flamey/sooty to be a high explosive like McVeigh used.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by vkou »

klipt wrote: post #126
fwip wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps war is a form of terrorism.

One difference is war has rules, terrorism doesn't. Deliberately targeting civilians in war is usually considered a war crime, while deliberately targeting civilians in a terrorist attack is considered ... a standard terrorist attack.

What about terrorists that primarily target a government, or various government institutions? Note that nearly every government organization[1] is generally considered a perfectly acceptable target in a war. It should also be noted that government offices tend to be full of civilians. What about factories producing war materials? They are also staffed by civilians. Factories producing materials that are used by factories that produce war materials? The list goes on.

The rules of war are not all that confining, and largely go out the window when one side starts losing.

[1] With a few exceptions.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by ideophobia »

bronco21016 wrote: post #152
ideophobia wrote: post #148

Considering the FBI recently foiled a plot by a group who was planning to "take out" parts of the energy grid, it seems likely from my experience that this is another set of people executing a similar plan targeting telecoms. I imagine there is a high probability of more incidents like this happening between now and the inauguration, meant to target various infrastructure and "big government" components throughout th…

The only thing you’re missing in your plot is encrypted messengers that can’t be cracked without sweeping legislation.

I saw a bunch of headlines recently that said the FBI had decrypted one of the popular secure messaging apps (telegram or signal maybe?), which, bizarrely enough, fits my narrative perfectly. Though I saw other headlines stating that was incorrect reporting.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by avs733 »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #154
ideophobia wrote: post #148

Considering the FBI recently foiled a plot by a group who was planning to "take out" parts of the energy grid, it seems likely from my experience that this is another set of people executing a similar plan targeting telecoms. I imagine there is a high probability of more incidents like this happening between now and the inauguration, meant to target various infrastructure and "big government" components throughout th…

Do you have a link for the FBI prevented plot? Edit: thank you (both)

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclu...

(note: not the OP)

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by joseph_grobbles »

swirepe wrote: post #146
joseph_grobbles wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good deed that they broadcast this message? Why a rational human would broadcast this message- a) The penalties if there were deaths would be much, much more severe. The manpower involved in the hunt would be exponentially larger. b) They have some other goal that would be sabotaged if there were deaths. c) They have morality and can rationalize bombing buildings, but not killing people. This isn't a "good dee…

>This isn't a "good deed". It's a presumably rational person playing the situation. Why not both? A deed can be both good and rational.

Reducing the harm of a purposeful, voluntary action -- maybe just to make it personally palatable to your own morality or mission -- doesn't seem to meet the threshold for a "good deed".

Less of a bad deed, sure. But given that they still did the very dangerous thing, no not a good deed.

The context I replied to implied that tracking a bomber by a warning they gave would be "punishing" a "good deed". That seems dubious.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by sneak »

ideophobia wrote: post #148

Considering the FBI recently foiled a plot by a group who was planning to "take out" parts of the energy grid, it seems likely from my experience that this is another set of people executing a similar plan targeting telecoms. I imagine there is a high probability of more incidents like this happening between now and the inauguration, meant to target various infrastructure and "big government" components throughout th…

> This attack screams anti-government militia with it's technique

What part of the technique indicates "anti-government militia"?

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