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Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Anti-5G crazies? T-Mobile partisans?

Speculation at this point will get us nowhere. If there were some reason like "5g bad" or "dont kill movie theatres" (regarding HBO max release of WW1984) there would be a video from the bomber pushing their message since, otherwise, this looks like any other terror attack.

> this looks like any other terror attack.

In what way? It sounds more like something the Joker or unabomber would pull off

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

#122
Nanog thread: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2020-December/2109...

Indicates closest ATT building was an ILEC CO, oddly, a voice exchange / telco meet-me point, or what we would call a peering point on the internet.

Risk/reward on the bombing, we're clearly missing incentives information, as of the options available and conceivable purposes for going to that much effort, it doesn't add up yet. Everything about it so far is so dumb the only thing I could see it being is a test run for a real one.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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> violence performed in the commision of promoting an ideology is terrorism. Was the invasion of Iraq terrorism? What about the Boston tea party?

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. There are certainly people who believe both or either of those were terrorism.

Terrorism is the use of violence to promote an ideology. Full stop. Nothing precludes a terrorist act from helping people. Even Pablo Escobar set up schools and other institutions in his neighborhood.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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The cognitive dissonance and total denial is off the charts with telecom and tech leaders who don't realize (or care) that their massive growth has played a large role in global civil unrest. The general public is terrified and angry at the rapidly shifting technological landscape and the changes in social norms that come with it. Trust in technology is at a low, and for good reason. We have titanic businesses with a…

> The cognitive dissonance and total denial is off the charts with telecom and tech leaders who don't realize (or care) that their massive growth has played a large role in global civil unrest. I wouldn't leave out leaders in other industries as well: finance, energy, etc… TBTF/ TBTJ policies can incentivize this type of stuff as all other options to date seem to cause no effective changes.

100 percent true. No shortage of blame to go around and this is certainly not new either. We've just accelerated very fast during a year of deep suffering and this kind of thing is inevitable, sadly. I'm a firm believer in wielding antitrust law to break the biggest corpos up, no matter the sector.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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This article doesn't make this so explicit, but ATT infrastructure appears to be the intentional target of the bombing. You can see the building in the helicopter shot at the top of the NYTimes article on the story: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/25/us/nashville-explosion.ht... Obviously a telecommunications/switch hub, with it being a large windowless building in a downtown core. The other thing that's particularly…

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Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Your definition is not quite accurate. Some forms of violence performed to promote an ideology are called war. In fact, war is by far the most common, and the most destructive form of 'violence used to promote an ideology'.

Perhaps war is a form of terrorism.

One difference is war has rules, terrorism doesn't. Deliberately targeting civilians in war is usually considered a war crime, while deliberately targeting civilians in a terrorist attack is considered ... a standard terrorist attack.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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post #112
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your definition is not quite accurate. Some forms of violence performed to promote an ideology are called war. In fact, war is by far the most common, and the most destructive form of 'violence used to promote an ideology'.

Perhaps war is a form of terrorism.

There is truth to this, particularly the sorts of war that target civilian populations to demoralize the enemy. Another term for 'strategic bombing' is 'terror bombing'.

> One of the strategies of war is to demoralize the enemy so that peace or surrender becomes preferable to continuing the conflict. Strategic bombing has been used to this end. The phrase "terror bombing" entered the English lexicon towards the end of World War II and many strategic bombing campaigns and individual raids have been described as terror bombing by commentators and historians. Because the term has pejorative connotations, some, including the Allies of World War II, have preferred to use euphemisms such as "will to resist" and "morale bombings".[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Yeah, I fully expect more incidences like this to happen all over the world. The incentives, socioeconomic backdrop, technical feasibility, and widely accessible tech are all enablers.

The cognitive dissonance and total denial is off the charts with telecom and tech leaders who don't realize (or care) that their massive growth has played a large role in global civil unrest. The general public is terrified and angry at the rapidly shifting technological landscape and the changes in social norms that come with it. Trust in technology is at a low, and for good reason. We have titanic businesses with a…

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  "There's No Reception in Possum Springs"

  No reception here.

  I wave my black phone
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Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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> I think bombers broadcasting warning messages is somewhat more common with certain types of political violence. I know weather underground bombings tried to choose times for their bombings when buildings would not be inhabited, not always successfully. Just wanted to point out that dressing things up as "political violence" is a disservice; violence performed in the commision of promoting an ideology is terrorism.…

Your definition is not quite accurate. Some forms of violence performed to promote an ideology are called war. In fact, war is by far the most common, and the most destructive form of 'violence used to promote an ideology'.

Why do you think war is not terrorizing/terrorism?

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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It could be interesting for regulators to see if anyone "miraculously" managed to make a lot of money from/during this incident, because some people do have the resources to pull something like this off and make a profit from it. But I think it's rather unlikely. Aside from that, I seriously doubt that just disruption of AT&T services was the objective here. Considering that this appears to have been a rather serious…

It honestly reminds me of something from an Ocean's movie, where they destroy some piece of infrastructure just to get past a security camera or something But the 5G conspiracist angle actually makes a ton of sense.

There’s always the option of disgruntled/fired employee out to destroy the company.
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