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Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by itsoktocry »

mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

Boy, the way a lot of these Apple threads go, I'm amazed that anyone is able to get any work done on anything that isn't a MacBook.

Apple make great products. Other companies make great products too. That there are no other options is nonsense.

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

#63

Post by abawany »

gamblor956 wrote: post #40
Spartan-S63 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately, this is what I found since switching from Windows to macOS back in 2014. The build quality of their computers is second to none. There are some manufacturers that get close to Apple build quality, but their price is right up there, too. Not to mention, the warranty coverage and support from Apple is second-to-none. I've had a few issues with laptops over the years (the late 2016 model, but not the keyboar…

I've never had to use my Dell (or Lenovo) warranties, because their laptops have never failed me. And they're all cheaper than their Apple counterparts of the same class. OTOH, everyone I know with an Apple raves about their customer service (in the US)...because they've all had to replace their Apple laptops at some point. Every. Single. One of them. Apple customer service is great because it has to be. If Apple did…

Their customer service was not great for me: my work mbp16 failed within 6 months due to apparently some display cable breaking. Apple kept the laptop for over a month and I had to plead for status updates, which generally fell on deaf ears. When they did ship the laptop back, they got my name and address wrong in spite of confirming it multiple times, which caused further confusion and delays. I remain convinced that a vendor on Alibaba would have done better than Apple in a similar situation.

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by foolmeonce »

itsoktocry wrote: post #61
mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

Boy, the way a lot of these Apple threads go, I'm amazed that anyone is able to get any work done on anything that isn't a MacBook. Apple make great products. Other companies make great products too. That there are no other options is nonsense.

If for whatever reason you don't want to use Linux (or a BSD/etc) then you have two options for OS/GUI. So much for great products.

Personally, I found and still find OsX terrible, but the redesign of windows to be mobile/touch first was high art which I assume is kept broken for mouse users to drive sales of surface.

I also am not much of a fan of the many common Linux window environments, but in the Linux case you actually have options (at great inconvenience to developers.)

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

#65

Post by sitzkrieg »

andrewzah wrote: post #57
sitzkrieg wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i bought a mbp a few years ago and do not use it full time and nevertheless ive had constant, ridiculous problems the entire time. not juat fresh post release stuff.and everytime i search i find many others who do too. there is a lot of blinders in the community i think. Anyway osx is basically a piece of garbage anymore that breaks obnoxious inexcusable stuff regularly. recent favorite because this is what people us…

"linux is a joke on daily desktop stuff too with exception for very narrow use cases" In my experience linux has been better than osx by a long shot. For general uses and gaming. I only boot into windows for some games and programs like autodesk fusion. My parents had very little issues adapting to mint with the cinnamon DE. I fail to see how modern linux is a "joke".

well, you can run valgrind on linux :-)

meanwhile i have to recompile drivers to get a mouse sensitivity that isnt insanely too fast with an 800dpi mouse and various other fun things for desktop use

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by jonnycomputer »

gamblor956 wrote: post #37
mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

Generally speaking though, if I just want my stuff to work, and work together, I don't have many options. You must be one of those people who hasn't used Big Sur yet...Windows has issues, but it's inexcusable for Apple to have so many problems when they control literally all aspects of the hardware and software stack. That being said, your options for superior laptop hardware include the business models of Lenovo and…

You don't know me. But I used my 2012 MBP everyday, and its still going strong. Never had a single problem with it.

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

#67

Post by TheRealDunkirk »

gamblor956 wrote: post #37
mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

Generally speaking though, if I just want my stuff to work, and work together, I don't have many options. You must be one of those people who hasn't used Big Sur yet...Windows has issues, but it's inexcusable for Apple to have so many problems when they control literally all aspects of the hardware and software stack. That being said, your options for superior laptop hardware include the business models of Lenovo and…

And I knew a guy who had just bought a 2013 MBP, and slipped on ice, and landed on his bag, and bent the thing in about a 20-degree angle around his hip, and even the dang screen still worked. Isn't anecdotal "data" fun?

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

gamblor956 wrote: post #37
mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

Generally speaking though, if I just want my stuff to work, and work together, I don't have many options. You must be one of those people who hasn't used Big Sur yet...Windows has issues, but it's inexcusable for Apple to have so many problems when they control literally all aspects of the hardware and software stack. That being said, your options for superior laptop hardware include the business models of Lenovo and…

> I don't mean to sound like a Windows fanboy, but once you understand why Windows is so much better you'll never want to use macOS again.

You DO understand that you're talking to a group of people that can and do run about every operating system available, right? I mean, you get that don't you? Every one on here runs everything. We are all well aware of Windows, and yet most of us seem to choose either Mac or Linux where possible. In fact, I'd venture to say most -- not all, of course, but most -- of us only use Windows where necessary.

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

#69

Post by ValentineC »

jevgeni wrote: post #20
Spartan-S63 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately, this is what I found since switching from Windows to macOS back in 2014. The build quality of their computers is second to none. There are some manufacturers that get close to Apple build quality, but their price is right up there, too. Not to mention, the warranty coverage and support from Apple is second-to-none. I've had a few issues with laptops over the years (the late 2016 model, but not the keyboar…

My experience with Apple (in Germany) was mostly opposite: when I ran into hardware issues it made more sense to go to Apple's long term exclusive partners in the region, than into an Apple store, where I'd run into completely disinterested and barely competent Genius Bar interns.

I warn people against going to Apple authorised service providers in Singapore.

Most of them haven't been very ethical in their business — I've heard numerous cases of the authorised providers charging for additional labour and parts to replace an out-of-warranty MacBook battery, while the Genius Bar does it for a flat fee [1].

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-sg/mac/repair/service

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

#70

Post by TheRealDunkirk »

andrewzah wrote: post #57
sitzkrieg wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i bought a mbp a few years ago and do not use it full time and nevertheless ive had constant, ridiculous problems the entire time. not juat fresh post release stuff.and everytime i search i find many others who do too. there is a lot of blinders in the community i think. Anyway osx is basically a piece of garbage anymore that breaks obnoxious inexcusable stuff regularly. recent favorite because this is what people us…

"linux is a joke on daily desktop stuff too with exception for very narrow use cases" In my experience linux has been better than osx by a long shot. For general uses and gaming. I only boot into windows for some games and programs like autodesk fusion. My parents had very little issues adapting to mint with the cinnamon DE. I fail to see how modern linux is a "joke".

I ran Linux on the desktop for 19 years before moving on to macOS. I can assure anyone that it's perfectly serviceable as a daily driver unless there's some particular piece of software you need which isn't supported.
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