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Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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User: This service has a problem and it's not working well. Programmer: There's nothing wrong with the service, you just have to use [magic incantation] to make it work right. I've been hoping for 20 years that this kind of exchange would stop happening. Still hoping! :-)

And there's always this kind of response. They didn't say the service was fine, they just provided a simple workaround which doesn't require forcing a change to Google's algorithm. Hoping they don't help with this seems odd. So, to counter, I'm glad that they did say this as it regularly annoys me too.

It's indeed a useful tip - and no offense to the GP - but this kind of reply always feels like the tech support equivalent of a mandatory arbitration clause: like an attempt to solve an issue individually with each person reporting it instead of giving a systemic solution that would benefit anyone. The blame is shifted from devs providing a good service to individual users not knowing the latest workaround.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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User: This service has a problem and it's not working well. Programmer: There's nothing wrong with the service, you just have to use [magic incantation] to make it work right. I've been hoping for 20 years that this kind of exchange would stop happening. Still hoping! :-)

I think your premise is wrong. The service isn't broken. I'd assume Google has enough people and data to know that it's doing what most people want. They were even kind enough to put in a workaround for the minority for whom it doesn't work well (which appears to be OP).

Most people want to have a full result page of nothing but login walls when searching for any kind of image?

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Google should be asking from a product perspective if they are providing the search results the user is most likely seeking. I seriously doubt that most pinterest results are what users are seeking. As such, Google probably should consider changes to their algorithm to compensate (cat and mouse) for pinterest's gaming. That is assuming how pinterest does it is not against any google rules... because if it were agains…

>Google should be asking from a product perspective if they are providing the search results the user is most likely seeking. I am cynical. Maybe Google's own experiments show that users click more ads when they get frustrated of the Pinterest spam that is technically not spam enough to be removed from the index. What the users are going to do? Use Bing? Google's most optimised version is probably being an Ads search…

Bing is better than google often enough. I've stopped using Google.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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I can't think of the last time I did a search and got any pinterest pages in my results. It must be more a factor of what you search for.

Are you referring to web/text search, or image search?

Web/text, but on the rare times I do image search, Pinterest results don't "dominate" my results as OP suggested.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Google should be asking from a product perspective if they are providing the search results the user is most likely seeking. I seriously doubt that most pinterest results are what users are seeking. As such, Google probably should consider changes to their algorithm to compensate (cat and mouse) for pinterest's gaming. That is assuming how pinterest does it is not against any google rules... because if it were agains…

Yeah, Pinterest is almost always disappointing as a result: their account requirements are annoying and it tends to obfuscate the source of the image or information you’re looking for.

The irritating part is that Google used to penalize websites dramatically if the user couldn't get to the content but the search engine could.

I guess that interfered with Google extracting ad money.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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There's no intentional or manual effort at Google to promote pinterest. Pinterest shows up because they understand how the Google algorithm works and built their website to display all the signals that Google looks for in relevant image content. They understand user intent and generate URLs that present content in a way that google expects to see. Examples of how they do this from their engineering team: https://medi…

I always thought that SEO errors should boost results to punish content factories.

Grandmas cookies are going to be better than 24 years old copypaste cookies for big bad marketing company.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Stop using Google search. DDG works just as well

I use DDG search most of the time, but I find this to be untrue. DDG is pretty good, but struggles with context a lot more than Google does. For example, when searching for an error in a programming library, DDG is likely to return the library homepage, whereas google is more likely to return the specific github issue where the error is being discussed.

This used to be true. Regularly I had to use the !g bang to find what I was looking for. Lately, I've realised that I hardly use it anymore and I do results are far worse on Google. Your mileage may vary of course but I don't bother with Google anymore.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Stop using Google search. DDG works just as well

I’ve been using DDG as my default for years and it really fails to provide me helpful results for programming and Linux questions. I know this because I frustratingly have to add !g to queries all the time lately and I’m questioning my choice to default to DDG. That said, I don’t like being tracked. It’s not clear to me if the quality of results I am seeing are due to Google’s tracking or not. (I suppose I could rese…

It has improved for me to the point I don't use !g anymore. Maybe subconciously I now do queries that fit DDG better. Anyway, I get the answer I want so can now live without Google.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Certainly worth mentioning the WP article from October that highlights Google search's deterioration only in the last few years. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/10/19/google-... "How does Google’s monopoly hurt you? Try these searches. Right under our noses, the Internet’s most-used website has been getting worse"

Yeah, sure, Pinterest knows how to game the results. But the rules of the "game" are in Google's control, so... I hope we don't normalize a deterioriation of a valuable resource under some neutral-sounding algorithmic play.

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