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Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Google should be asking from a product perspective if they are providing the search results the user is most likely seeking. I seriously doubt that most pinterest results are what users are seeking. As such, Google probably should consider changes to their algorithm to compensate (cat and mouse) for pinterest's gaming. That is assuming how pinterest does it is not against any google rules... because if it were agains…

Just do -pinterest in your search to filter

-site:pinterest.* (there's supposed to be an asterisk at the end, but I have to type something after the asterisk for it to show up)

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Just do -pinterest in your search to filter

User: This service has a problem and it's not working well. Programmer: There's nothing wrong with the service, you just have to use [magic incantation] to make it work right. I've been hoping for 20 years that this kind of exchange would stop happening. Still hoping! :-)

Google: we need your personal information so we can improve your experience

User: -pinterest

Google: we need your personal information so we can improve your experience

User: -pinterest!!

et cetera, ad infinitum ...

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Google should be asking from a product perspective if they are providing the search results the user is most likely seeking. I seriously doubt that most pinterest results are what users are seeking. As such, Google probably should consider changes to their algorithm to compensate (cat and mouse) for pinterest's gaming. That is assuming how pinterest does it is not against any google rules... because if it were agains…

Yeah, Pinterest is almost always disappointing as a result: their account requirements are annoying and it tends to obfuscate the source of the image or information you’re looking for.

A few times I've landed on Pinterest and they lock user copied (contrary to copyright law in my country AFAICT) content behind a registration-wall. They never show enough utility for new to register, they just tease on Google and then don't show what they teased.

Google results would be better for me with all Pinterest results removed.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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There's no intentional or manual effort at Google to promote pinterest. Pinterest shows up because they understand how the Google algorithm works and built their website to display all the signals that Google looks for in relevant image content. They understand user intent and generate URLs that present content in a way that google expects to see. Examples of how they do this from their engineering team: https://medi…

Google should be asking from a product perspective if they are providing the search results the user is most likely seeking. I seriously doubt that most pinterest results are what users are seeking. As such, Google probably should consider changes to their algorithm to compensate (cat and mouse) for pinterest's gaming. That is assuming how pinterest does it is not against any google rules... because if it were agains…

Both in Google, and in DDG, sometimes when I am looking for an image (i.e. image of a "full body workout plan") the images I find tend to be 'hosted' in Pinterest, but in reality following them links take me to Pinterest, and then back to the original source (which is some random fitness site).

I find Pinterest useful as an image search engine.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Just do -pinterest in your search to filter

User: This service has a problem and it's not working well. Programmer: There's nothing wrong with the service, you just have to use [magic incantation] to make it work right. I've been hoping for 20 years that this kind of exchange would stop happening. Still hoping! :-)

I think your premise is wrong. The service isn't broken. I'd assume Google has enough people and data to know that it's doing what most people want. They were even kind enough to put in a workaround for the minority for whom it doesn't work well (which appears to be OP).

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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User: This service has a problem and it's not working well. Programmer: There's nothing wrong with the service, you just have to use [magic incantation] to make it work right. I've been hoping for 20 years that this kind of exchange would stop happening. Still hoping! :-)

Services and users have different goals. Why is the helpful technologist the problem?

Real answer?

Because helpful technologists are the interface between less knowledgeable users and services like Google. We’re the power users and “mavens” who are both highly exposed to the product and have some understanding of what’s going wrong and how it might be made better. We also spend a lot more time talking to that product’s engineering staff than the typical user (see e.g. the fact that we’re here on HN.)

When helpful technologists opt out of the problematic aspects of a product by uttering some magic incantation, we essentially remove ourselves from having to be annoyed by the product’s rough edges. This means we’re less likely to help improve the service for everyone, and we’re probably more likely to incorporate similar carelessness into the things we make ourselves.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Pinterest dominate Google text search results?

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Services and users have different goals. Why is the helpful technologist the problem?

Your second statement is enabling bad behavior, your first statement is insane.

No. They're exactly right. The root problem here is incentive misalignment. Both Google and Pinterest sacrifice value they provide to extract more revenue from their users.
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