In my opinion, the apple trackpad is superior to all other laptops. And this gap between the trackpads make it difficult to justify a switch to non-apple laptops.
Switching from Apple to Lenovo
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Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo
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Ultimately, this is what I found since switching from Windows to macOS back in 2014. The build quality of their computers is second to none. There are some manufacturers that get close to Apple build quality, but their price is right up there, too. Not to mention, the warranty coverage and support from Apple is second-to-none. I've had a few issues with laptops over the years (the late 2016 model, but not the keyboar…
My experience with Apple (in Germany) was mostly opposite: when I ran into hardware issues it made more sense to go to Apple's long term exclusive partners in the region, than into an Apple store, where I'd run into completely disinterested and barely competent Genius Bar interns.
Apple support in the US is second to none, in my experience. My experience with Apple support outside the US has been hit-or-miss but mostly miss.
Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo
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It works fine nowadays in general for software development with: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/about You can even have VS code running extension on it and such: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/wsl Source: I did software development on a window machine recently for a job.
It unfortunately doesn't work fine as an OS. I moved to Macs over two years ago, had to work on multiple Macs(2 2018, 1 2020) and literally had ONE issue during update which was solved in 15 seconds by rebooting into whatever the name of the super menu in Macs. My girlfriend on the other hand routinely faces issues with Windows updates, drivers issues, WiFi not working, random restarts, noise issues. And this is on 2…
I don’t think it’s fair to blame Windows for all random behavior with arbitrary hw and sw configurations. If you build a Windows desktop with compatible components, it mostly works fine. If you install SW from parties who don’t have adequate expertise or quality control in place, you will start experiencing weird behavior. This is because Windows let’s the installed apps/drivers do a lot.
Windows 10s should fix some of these issues by restricting what the SW can do and what SW one can install to the machine they own, but not everyone wants to be restricted like this.
Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo
#34Have newer Lenovo laptops fixed the keyboard matrix issues where typing too quickly causes the speaker to beep?
Words like “should”, “would” or anything that may risk an n-key rollover problem have plagued Lenovo laptop keyboards for me for many years now. I have a couple years old T480 that still does this and typing on it is miserable. The keyboard feels nice enough but the constant missed keys and beeps drive me crazy.
Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo
#35While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…
Agreed. I switched from macOS to Linux, and i don't see the point if you're not getting something very valuable out of it. I am however, in my mind, so i'm quite happpy. Specifically, i'm toying with immutable operating systems. I view that as valuable because i feel confident in the stability and reproducibility of my system. I'd probably switch back to macOS if they offered something similar to NixOS, but that seem…
If you invest some time building your own linux environment, e.g. Xfce or openbox, or kde.. You will probably found that once it completely works the way you customize it, it will work until You break it. I've seen testimonials of guys using rolling releases of Linux or, some debian based distro that runs for years without any issue. No scam installed alongside your OS.
Well...
I use arch btw.
Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo
#36Another commenter echo'd this here but it's the same for me. I find running WSL2 on windows easier to get up and running and way more stable than running Linux and macOS which just 5 years ago would be the anectote of a crazy person.
Things really just work, I get a stable desktop environment, not the prettiest compared to macOS but at least the window + virtual desktop management is leagues better, and an even better development environment without dual booting.
Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo
#37While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…
Generally speaking though, if I just want my stuff to work, and work together, I don't have many options.
You must be one of those people who hasn't used Big Sur yet...Windows has issues, but it's inexcusable for Apple to have so many problems when they control literally all aspects of the hardware and software stack.
That being said, your options for superior laptop hardware include the business models of Lenovo and Dell, or if you need the graphical capabilities, Alienware or ASUS gaming laptops.
Windows laptops are hardier than their Apple counterparts at every price point. Everyone I know with an Apple laptop has had to have it replaced under warranty (in a few cases, multiple times), but my Latitudes from college and law school and my Lenovos from old jobs still work. I couldn't even tell you whether Dell or Lenovo warranties are any good because I've never had to use them. I got my cousins an HP laptop from Best Buy about a decade ago, and it's traveled all across India, in trains, on elephants, been dropped a few dozen times, and other than disgustingly sticky keys and a dented frame, it still works like new.
And with the superior hardware, you also get the freedom to install whatever software you want, to use whatever hardware you want, to not worry about whether software you purchased last year will still run on you computer, it's truly liberating. Sure, it's not as shiny or skeumorphic as Mac, but the trade-off is infinitely greater usability.
I don't mean to sound like a Windows fanboy, but once you understand why Windows is so much better you'll never want to use macOS again.
Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo
#38Have newer Lenovo laptops fixed the keyboard matrix issues where typing too quickly causes the speaker to beep? Words like “should”, “would” or anything that may risk an n-key rollover problem have plagued Lenovo laptop keyboards for me for many years now. I have a couple years old T480 that still does this and typing on it is miserable. The keyboard feels nice enough but the constant missed keys and beeps drive me c…
I have an x220 and t450 that I've used with Windows 10 and Arch and have never run into this issue.
Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo
#39Another commenter echo'd this here but it's the same for me. I find running WSL2 on windows easier to get up and running and way more stable than running Linux and macOS which just 5 years ago would be the anectote of a crazy person. Things really just work, I get a stable desktop environment, not the prettiest compared to macOS but at least the window + virtual desktop management is leagues better, and an even bette…
Curious, I went the opposite direction: I used Windows for decades, and WSL since I first heard of it. When I switched to Kubuntu i felt like I was finally home. I always heard bad things about KDE but the thing that I found there might be the best desktop environment at the moment. I like it better than OSX even.
Ofc there are some annoying things on Linux machines (e.g. having to research more before buying hardware), but Windows isn't without it's annoyances as well (e.g. bloatware like MS Edge that will try to get your attention once in a while, some things that you can easily achieve on a linux machine are cumbersome or impossible to solve, and the ways you do it change much faster than on Linux etc)
I use both. But for dev stuff I prefer Linux by a lot.
Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo
#40While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…
Ultimately, this is what I found since switching from Windows to macOS back in 2014. The build quality of their computers is second to none. There are some manufacturers that get close to Apple build quality, but their price is right up there, too. Not to mention, the warranty coverage and support from Apple is second-to-none. I've had a few issues with laptops over the years (the late 2016 model, but not the keyboar…
I've never had to use my Dell (or Lenovo) warranties, because their laptops have never failed me. And they're all cheaper than their Apple counterparts of the same class.
OTOH, everyone I know with an Apple raves about their customer service (in the US)...because they've all had to replace their Apple laptops at some point. Every. Single. One of them.
Apple customer service is great because it has to be. If Apple didn't so readily fix/replace its hardware, nobody would buy a second Apple product after the first one failed on them.