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The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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Re: The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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Same reason that people hire a mediocre DJ at a wedding instead of just having a cousin operate an iPod playlist?

And what's that? Ease and quality of improvisation? Does the musician here improvise? Slight variation in each performance?

Control.

Re: The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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Programming has been my "day job" for a long time, but writing music has been my real passion. It's absolutely standard for electronic musicians to bounce tracks with computationally expensive plugins to static audio tracks while working. Otherwise, there is usually not enough CPU available to perform all the DSP for a complex song. (Additionally, bouncing tracks to audio gives more control over fades, cross-fades, t…

Yeah, when I started out with the first Intel Core Mac Mini, I bounced down most of my effects-heavy tracks, though I did this pretty begrudgingly. Fortunately Logic has a great feature where you can "Freeze" a track to a "bounced"/rendered audio file -- if you want to make edits to the effects, you can un-Freeze, make your changes and re-Freeze. Only downside is, this takes up precious time when you're trying to be…

> There's still one cool granular synthesis app I can think of for Mac OS 8/9 (th0nk) which was never updated for anything newer, for example.

If they no longer plan to sell or update the software, I wonder what's to stop them from open sourcing it if asked.

Re: The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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Sample libraries are usually WAVs or (non-MPC) encoded audio files. Mac Minis simply don't have the processing power to handle the DAWs, which are generally CPU-intensive and can be memory-intensive depending on the VSTs or plugins used.

Sounds like a macmini is a terrible choice for that job. Is there a hard osx requirement? It's not like they are really cheap.

The 2018 Mac mini is, from all reports, a pretty decent machine for DAW usage. Many replaced their 2010 Mac Pro rigs with 2018 Mac minis + Thunderbolt chassis.

Re: The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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People go to Broadway shows to see live performances, and music is a big part of it (in some shows, the biggest). You may say the audience won't know the difference. But word will get out. Audiences may not be willing to pay premium prices for prerecorded content.

Actually, what is the reason for that? If we had computer-linked humans act a scene, then record all of their interactions, and then have them perform that ten nights in a row as live marionettes replaying their original actions from the computer, is that worse or better? Does the potential for failure and variation attract the audience? Or just the fact that the medium is much higher fidelity: stage actors are human…

Because then the people on stage can't react to the audience reacting. That's part of the live experience. Every live show is a bit different because every audience is different.

Re: The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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I'm sure that that market segment tends towards macs, but given these constraints I'm surprised that they're not using much cheaper PCs to run the same audio suites, given the budget constraints. This is to suggest that Broadway shows could already have achieved the same increase-in-sound-quality-per-dollar by switching to cheaper hardware running Windows, and that the M1 introduction isn't really the big sea change…

> "Broadway shows could already have achieved the same increase-in-sound-quality-per-dollar by switching to cheaper hardware running Windows" Mac Minis are relatively cheap. Not much different in cost to comparable, branded, ultra-small-form-factor PC hardware. (And now, with the M1, I don't think you'll find competitive PC hardware in the same price range and form factor at all)

Not only are they cheap, but Mac minis are ubiquitous. Almost every major city has them instock at an Apple Store or other retailer, so it can be replaced quickly anywhere, unlike any pc vendor

Re: The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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Programming has been my "day job" for a long time, but writing music has been my real passion. It's absolutely standard for electronic musicians to bounce tracks with computationally expensive plugins to static audio tracks while working. Otherwise, there is usually not enough CPU available to perform all the DSP for a complex song. (Additionally, bouncing tracks to audio gives more control over fades, cross-fades, t…

Broadway performances aren’t always trigger-able.

They may not always be performed exactly the same way ... with the exact same timing or at the same tempo or the same pauses, etc.

Re: The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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Same reason that people hire a mediocre DJ at a wedding instead of just having a cousin operate an iPod playlist?

And what's that? Ease and quality of improvisation? Does the musician here improvise? Slight variation in each performance?

I'd say it's the human aspect. Wedding and Broadway you go to see people live.

Otherwise why not just fire up YouTube out Spotify

Re: The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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Yeah, when I started out with the first Intel Core Mac Mini, I bounced down most of my effects-heavy tracks, though I did this pretty begrudgingly. Fortunately Logic has a great feature where you can "Freeze" a track to a "bounced"/rendered audio file -- if you want to make edits to the effects, you can un-Freeze, make your changes and re-Freeze. Only downside is, this takes up precious time when you're trying to be…

> There's still one cool granular synthesis app I can think of for Mac OS 8/9 (th0nk) which was never updated for anything newer, for example. If they no longer plan to sell or update the software, I wonder what's to stop them from open sourcing it if asked.

Oh, they actually allow you to download it for free now, IIRC. Maybe they just figure it's so obsolete, no one would bother to port it to a newer system? To be fair you can get the same effect with newer granular synthesis software manually, th0nk was just cool in how you never knew what you're going to get out of it, leaving the result to chance.

(direct download link http://www.audioease.com/download/thOnk_0+2.sit.hqx )

Re: The impact of Apple Silicon Macs on Broadway

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> "Broadway shows could already have achieved the same increase-in-sound-quality-per-dollar by switching to cheaper hardware running Windows" Mac Minis are relatively cheap. Not much different in cost to comparable, branded, ultra-small-form-factor PC hardware. (And now, with the M1, I don't think you'll find competitive PC hardware in the same price range and form factor at all)

I am a huge M1 fan but that statement is almost true, but not quite there yet. I have experimented with a number of prebuilt machines with AMD Ryzen 3600X/3700X, Intel i7-10700, and Apple M1. Those (esp 3700X) are often slightly ahead of M1 (esp in Rosetta) usually at slightly cheaper prices [often discounted too] compared to the base model Mac mini, admittedly at a much higher power consumption, noise, physical size…

As you say, you're comparing a far higher TDP chip here (Ryzen 3600X/3700X). I don't think those can realistically fit into the Mac Mini's form factor, right? Surely we should be comparing the M1 to the "U" series Ryzen chips?
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